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Train cancelled, can I claim for car parking?

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TonyR

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Parking at my local station is free and I usually park there and catch the train to Preston to go to London. i have just seen that my local train this afternoon and the two before it have all been cancelled. So the only way to make my Euston train is to drive to Preston where they charge £12.50 a day to park. Can I claim my parking fee back given I had no choice but to drive and park? I’ll be away for a few days so it quickly adds up.

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If your train is cancelled your two options are usually delay repay (for arriving late), partial refund (if you make part of the journey) or full refund (if you decide not to travel). Unless it's the last train of the date that's cancelled anything else is usually at the operator's discretion.

Bear in mind on some Avanti services conductors are now scanning e-tickets and stamping orange tickets, so it may be detectable which train you travelled on.
 

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There's no strict entitlement to that but you could ask customer services. Or alternatively (assuming you're already in possession of the ticket) if not in a hurry travel late and enjoy a free journey. Or if it'll be cheaper than the parking for several days, take a taxi - if you're somewhere like Lostock Hall/Bamber Bridge (which do seem to have corresponding cancellations) a taxi is likely to be significantly cheaper than several days' parking plus fuel.
 

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I have asked for the taxi fare from West Midland trains and Transport for Wales when the train was late making me miss the last bus home from Hereford . So far they have paid out as an ex Gracie payment , I having contacted Customer services.
 

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I have asked for a taxi fare from West Midland trains and Transport for Wales when the train was late making me miss the last bus home from Hereford . So far they have paid out as an ex Gracie payment having contacted Customer services.

I kind of have the feeling the OP may find it easier to get a taxi fare out of the railway than parking, though I'm not quite sure why, it just feels that way.
 

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Update. I spoke to Northern who said they would arrange a taxi to Preston from my local station. They booked it and said it would be there for 16:10. Bit of a rush but made it there in time only to find no taxi. I gave it five minutes but still nothing. I couldn’t risk missing my Euston train, which was an Advance Single ticket, so I jumped back in the car and drove to Preston. At 16:20 I got a message that a taxi was being dispatched and three minutes later a call from the driver to say he was there. I was already well on my way. Traffic was clear and I made it to the car park by 16:40. If I had waited for the taxi it would have been 16:55 - 5 minutes before departure which is not enough time, and even less if he had driven slower, the lights had been against him or traffic heavier. So I am going to try and claim back my extra mileage and car parking costs as there really was not alternative and I had to be in London.
 

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Had you waited for the taxi, if you had missed your train you would have been delayed by an hour into London. Are you saying you really you couldn’t have coped with that delay?

I suspect having incurred the cost of a taxi and you didn’t give it a chance to get you to the station in time, I suspect they might baulk at now paying several days car parking for you.
 

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Update. I spoke to Northern who said they would arrange a taxi to Preston from my local station. They booked it and said it would be there for 16:10. Bit of a rush but made it there in time only to find no taxi. I gave it five minutes but still nothing. I couldn’t risk missing my Euston train, which was an Advance Single ticket, so I jumped back in the car and drove to Preston.

So did you not purchase an Advance from your local station or an additional ticket to cover you to Preston? If you did then you could have just used the next train from Preston after Northern got you there. If you didn't then you weren't in a position to request assistance from Northern (unless there was no ticket buying facilities at your station).
 

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So did you not purchase an Advance from your local station or an additional ticket to cover you to Preston? If you did then you could have just used the next train from Preston after Northern got you there. If you didn't then you weren't in a position to request assistance from Northern (unless there was no ticket buying facilities at your station).
Yes, a lot of this will hinge on the ticket/s held. But I don’t think the OP was obliged to risk a delay to satisfy Northern regarding the taxi.
 

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Had you waited for the taxi, if you had missed your train you would have been delayed by an hour into London. Are you saying you really you couldn’t have coped with that delay?

I suspect having incurred the cost of a taxi and you didn’t give it a chance to get you to the station in time, I suspect they might baulk at now paying several days car parking for you.
So how long do you wait for a taxi and risk missing the only train on which my ticket is valid when there is a perfectly viable way of getting the one Euston train? And for Northern it makes no financial sense. They would pay about £25 for the taxi plus another £75 refund on my ticket for arriving over an hour late vs £31 for the parking for three days. So I’m doing them a favour.

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So did you not purchase an Advance from your local station or an additional ticket to cover you to Preston? If you did then you could have just used the next train from Preston after Northern got you there. If you didn't then you weren't in a position to request assistance from Northern (unless there was no ticket buying facilities at your station).
I had a ticket from my local station bought on here and an Advance Single SP to Euston bought on Avanti
 

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So how long do you wait for a taxi and risk missing the only train on which my ticket is valid
But that's not true - if you miss the connection due to the fault of the railway, you are entitled to onwards travel whatever restrictions normally apply to your ticket.
 

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But that's not true - if you miss the connection due to the fault of the railway, you are entitled to onwards travel whatever restrictions normally apply to your ticket.
Indeed, and if you waited for the taxi provided to get you there, it would have been very clear that it was the railway's fault.
 

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So how long do you wait for a taxi and risk missing the only train on which my ticket is valid when there is a perfectly viable way of getting the one Euston train? And for Northern it makes no financial sense. They would pay about £25 for the taxi plus another £75 refund on my ticket for arriving over an hour late vs £31 for the parking for three days. So I’m doing them a favour.

I doubt anyone in customer support is evaluating costs, they're just following a procedure which doesn't presume passengers have a car and doesn't presume you're returning in 3 days when you say you have an Advance Single.
 

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Indeed, and if you waited for the taxi provided to get you there, it would have been very clear that it was the railway's fault.
And I would have arrived in London, judging by the fact that this train is now running 40 minutes late due to congestion around Rugby following signalling problems, I would have arrived almost two hours late with an hour’s onward journey from Euston. Why should I suffer that because their taxi turned up quarter of an hour late?
I doubt anyone in customer support is evaluating costs, they're just following a procedure which doesn't presume passengers have a car and doesn't presume you're returning in 3 days when you say you have an Advance Single.
Probably, not that I told them what type of ticket I had and they didn’t ask. Just that I would have to park for three days
 

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Why should I suffer that because their taxi turned up quarter of an hour late?
So out of curiosity, if a train had run but was late enough that it was likely you would have missed your connection, would you have done the same thing, and asked for several days car parking cost? Because whether it's a train, bus, or taxi, the railway provided a service for you to use, albeit one which you judged would have missed your connection, so decided to make your own arrangements (which I suspect was in part because you didn't realise your ticket would have been honoured on a subsequent train to London).
 

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So out of curiosity, if a train had run but was late enough that it was likely you would have missed your connection, would you have done the same thing, and asked for several days car parking cost? Because whether it's a train, bus, or taxi, the railway provided a service for you to use, albeit one which you judged would have missed your connection, so decided to make your own arrangements (which I suspect was in part because you didn't realise your ticket would have been honoured on a subsequent train to London).
So let’s take your hypothetical and assume I was going to catch a flight or to the theatre or to an important meeting which I would miss if I had taken the subsequent train an hour later. What then? In law the rule of mitigation requires me to take reasonable steps to minimise my losses which I did.
 

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So let’s take your hypothetical and assume I was going to catch a flight or to the theatre or to an important meeting which I would miss if I had taken the subsequent train an hour later. What then? In law the rule of mitigation requires me to take reasonable steps to minimise my losses which I did.

And what would have happened if a road had been closed due to an accident on your journey?
You couldn't claim a payment from the Council.
 

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And what would have happened if a road had been closed due to an accident on your journey?
You couldn't claim a payment from the Council.
But the road transport here was being provided by the train company because they cancelled his train.
 

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Just visited the Northern Rail site and it looks quite promising. It says:

Consequential loss
If you have experienced disruption, and this has led to you having to get a taxi to complete your journey, stay overnight in a hotel or you have incurred any other additional costs due to the disruption of our services please make sure you have your tickets and receipts for the additional cost and Click here. We will then assess your claim.
 

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Just visited the Northern Rail site and it looks quite promising. It says:

Consequential loss
If you have experienced disruption, and this has led to you having to get a taxi to complete your journey, stay overnight in a hotel or you have incurred any other additional costs due to the disruption of our services please make sure you have your tickets and receipts for the additional cost and Click here. We will then assess your claim.
BUT

They arranged a taxi for you that you chose not to use. They have provided you the service to avoid you incurring the parking costs. Why would/should they pay out twice? (the taxi will have been paid for on account, so Northern will have paid the taxi company for it, even though you didn't use it)
 

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They arranged a taxi for you that you chose not to use. They have provided you the service to avoid you incurring the parking costs. Why would/should they pay out twice?
Because their replacement transport was late. It is no different to the TOC paying for a rail replacement bus and that being late too. It's simply a case of "too bad" for Northern.
 

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Because their replacement transport was late. It is no different to the TOC paying for a rail replacement bus and that being late too. It's simply a case of "too bad" for Northern.
But was it late? He never gave them a chance to get him there on time. And in any case, he would have been entitled to onward travel, albeit with Delay Repay.

So if the taxi had been late, he would have got compensation in the form of delay repay. He chose not to use it, so why should they cover incidental expense he took upon himself to spend?
 

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But was it late? He never gave them a chance to get him there on time.
He doesn’t have to if it’s reasonable to suggest the car would be late and not make the connection at Preston.

And in any case, he would have been entitled to onward travel, albeit with Delay Repay.
He isn’t obliged to just suck up the delay. He’s actually likely minimised Northern’s liability to him by making his own way.
 

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But was it late? He never gave them a chance to get him there on time. And in any case, he would have been entitled to onward travel, albeit with Delay Repay.

So if the taxi had been late, he would have got compensation in the form of delay repay. He chose not to use it, so why should they cover incidental expense he took upon himself to spend?
I gave them a chance and it was late. NR told me it would be there at 10 past and it arrived 15 mins late. NR said they would send me the confirmation details by email but it never arrived. So I had no certainty it was even booked, no contact details to call the taxi company and no time to wait while “all of our agents are busy” to speak to NR. The first I knew the taxi was for real was when the taxi company messaged me to say they had dispatched a taxi to me but by then I had run out of time to wait if I wanted to get my London train.

I wasn’t interested in getting into London late and being delay-repaid. I wanted to catch my scheduled train to get to London on time and be compensated for the consequential costs in doing so as a result of the train cancellation for which I had a pre-booked ticked. Is that too much to ask?
 

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I gave them a chance and it was late. NR told me it would be there at 10 past and it arrived 15 mins late. NR said they would send me the confirmation details by email but it never arrived. So I had no certainty it was even booked, no contact details to call the taxi company and no time to wait while “all of our agents are busy” to speak to NR. The first I knew the taxi was for real was when the taxi company messaged me to say they had dispatched a taxi to me but by then I had run out of time to wait if I wanted to get my London train.

I wasn’t interested in getting into London late and being delay-repaid. I wanted to catch my scheduled train to get to London on time and be compensated for the consequential costs in doing so as a result of the train cancellation for which I had a pre-booked ticked. Is that too much to ask?
For what it is worth, I'd have done exactly the same. And I quite agree with you.
 

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Just to bring this to a close, I submitted my claim to Northern for the mileage and parking and they have paid it. Thank you to those who gave helpful comments and hope this experience is informative for others finding themselves in a similar situation.
 
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