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Rishi Sunak and the Conservative Party.

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The current Maidstone town is encompassed mostly in Maidstone and the Weald, which is basically the town and then a load of rural land to the south along a strip to Sissinghurst/Benenden way. The rural parts are going into a new Weald of Kent constituency, which I'm confident will be a safe Tory seat. The new Maidstone and Malling constituency being smaller in area and more urban could make it more of a swing seat.
Possibly

Going forward but unless the current incumbent also decides that she's not standing again then I can see her retaining it as friends who live in Maidstone say that generally speaking she's another good quality local politician with morals and a conscience
 
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May I suggest posters here read : How they broke Britain by James O'Brien

It explains and explores the Tufton Street > Media > Conservative party axis that has damaged this country so much in considerable detail.

I fear it would be unwise to do so on account of the potential impacts on my blood pressure. Ian Dunt's book ("How Westminster Works... And why it doesn't..." also highly recommended) was risky enough and that wasn't just targeted at the Tory/Media/Tufton Street mob!
 

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Sunak's just had his hour on TV, not that many would have watched, I certainly didn't and by the lack of posts here, none of you did either, or there was 60 minutes nothing noteworthy?
There are a few clips around, I've watched about a minute of one. Wholly predictable, Rishi's yer mate from down the road really, wants what you want. (Memo to RS: it didn't work for 'Dave', and it won't work for you; we want someone who can lead the country. not have a chat to when we are walking the dog). However, there is a rather entertaining (but almost certainly biased) account provided by The Guardian:

Rish! uses his big break on GB News to remind us he can’t connect with people​

Isuppose it was almost inevitable. Nearly every Conservative MP has their own show on GB News, so it was only a matter of time before it was Rishi Sunak’s turn. The prime minister is going to have a free diary after the next election. Perhaps he could do a weekly phone-in show from California. Though the £100,000 he might get for it probably won’t be nearly enough to make ends meet. He paid five times more than that in tax last year.

For Rishi’s Big Break on GB News, we got an hour-long Q&A on the People’s Forum – a lucky audience of undecided voters selected by the polling company Survation.

“Rishi here,” he gurned in trailers screened throughout the day. “Ask me anything.” Though hopefully not about tax. Sunak didn’t seem that keen to explain why he paid a lower tax rate than most of the rest of the country.

On the GB News message board, the first questions started rolling in. “Hedgehog” wanted to know why the Muslims got a special vote in elections. It’s possible Hedgehog hadn’t quite understood what commentators meant when they talked of the Muslim vote. Ray Sellars reckoned there should be daily flights of illegal immigrants to the Falklands. Somehow I didn’t think that question would get selected either.

Presenter Stephen Dixon opened the show with a brief welcome and then handed over to Rish!, who proceeded to make his opening remarks with his back to the camera. Not the greatest 60 seconds of television.

It’s been a tough few years, Sunak began. Covid. Ukraine. Curiously he didn’t also think to mention Brexit or the Liz Truss budget. Or 14 years of Conservative incompetence. Sunak is getting very forgetful these days.

Rish! then moved on to his five priorities. Sorry, your priorities. Yet again, he has merely been doing us all a favour. Mumble, mumble, mumble. So as we could all see – well, we might have done if we had been able to hear properly – he was actually delivering on all five of his priorities.

Everything was working perfectly. We had never had it so good. “I can offer change,” he concluded. Let’s run through this again. You can offer change from yourself and your government. That’s very big of you.

On to the first question. David from Darlington. Tell us one thing of any substance you’ve actually done. Rish! bounced into life. He had been to Darlington. Once. Never again. But he loved the north. That’s why he had levelled it up. Teesside was going brilliantly. Apart from the reports that said there were financial concerns. He finished off by lying about freeports.

There is more at https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...1&cvid=1b744967a2ab4653a87452e3448e4f06&ei=14

And, of course, in the interests of impartiality they'll be having an hour with Starmer next week. :rolleyes:
According to the presenter, Stephen Dixon, an invitation has been made.
 

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I fear it would be unwise to do so on account of the potential impacts on my blood pressure. Ian Dunt's book ("How Westminster Works... And why it doesn't..." also highly recommended) was risky enough and that wasn't just targeted at the Tory/Media/Tufton Street mob!
Agreed - I just blasted it in one sitting to limit the rage! It does need to be read. I have the Dunt book in the pile to read but decided not to do both back to back.
 

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Mean or median? (Or mode, but I suspect not). If these are mean values then someone must be getting massive increases to counterbalance all the low or zero ones.

The estimates in this bulletin come from a survey of businesses. It is not possible to survey every business each month, so these statistics are estimates based on a sample, not precise figures. Average weekly earnings (AWE) for any given month is the ratio of estimated total pay for the whole economy, divided by the total number of employees. As a result, AWE is not a measure of rates of pay and can be affected by changes in the composition of an enterprise's workforce.
It's a mean figure.
 

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Starmer's "sacking" of the Labour Rochdale candidate has taken the headlines and glory away from Sunak's performance; can't the PM do anything right?? ;)
 

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Sunak's just had his hour on TV, not that many would have watched, I certainly didn't and by the lack of posts here, none of you did either, or there was 60 minutes nothing noteworthy?
it was mostly just a chance for him to regurgitate his talking points with minimal pushback. Highlights include a man who was ranting on about vaccines (and who seems to be rather well known, which is interesting considering the audience was supposed to be vetted by an outside company) and right at the end where Sunak was presented with a tombola box and asked to pull out a question to answer, but instead he demanded someone ask a tax question (no one had done so yet). The presenter happily grabbed a microphone and instantly found someone who could double-whammy a tax and anti-SNP question (the Scottish income tax rate)

The programme immediately afterwards spent a lot of time allowing a Tory deputy chair to gush about how strong the performance was. Ofcom was surely happy with the balance!
 

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it was mostly just a chance for him to regurgitate his talking points with minimal pushback. Highlights include a man who was ranting on about vaccines (and who seems to be rather well known, which is interesting considering the audience was supposed to be vetted by an outside company) and right at the end where Sunak was presented with a tombola box and asked to pull out a question to answer, but instead he demanded someone ask a tax question (no one had done so yet). The presenter happily grabbed a microphone and instantly found someone who could double-whammy a tax and anti-SNP question (the Scottish income tax rate)

The programme immediately afterwards spent a lot of time allowing a Tory deputy chair to gush about how strong the performance was. Ofcom was surely happy with the balance!
Delighted of course!
 

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The programme immediately afterwards spent a lot of time allowing a Tory deputy chair to gush about how strong the performance was. Ofcom was surely happy with the balance!

And at least one Tory MP (the bloke for Sedgefield) trumpeting that 50% of the audience would now be voting Tory, and what a great thing that was
 

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Of course it would be balanced - between those who take the Tice/ Farage approach and those that favour that of Anderson and Rees-Mogg.
when they were asking the shuffling crowds for their thoughts there was at least one person willing to admit to voting to reform in the next election, so you could be right!
 

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There's a YouTuber who runs a Labour discussion channel who revealed he applied to be in the audience and was approved after lying about his political beliefs (i.e. claimed to be pro-Brexit and pro-Tory when he wasn't). He then revealed his invite was rescinded the day before or something after his background as a pro-Labour commentator was discovered, but not before being given details about how the only way to get there was to meet a shuttle bus that would take you to an undisclosed location. He also thinks that either GB News had a double check over audience members selected last minute (clearly their first one wasn't very thorough), or Downing Street had a look over them after. Either way it sounds like there's a lot of dodgy/poorly thought out stuff in the selection process.

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it was mostly just a chance for him to regurgitate his talking points with minimal pushback. Highlights include a man who was ranting on about vaccines (and who seems to be rather well known, which is interesting considering the audience was supposed to be vetted by an outside company) and right at the end where Sunak was presented with a tombola box and asked to pull out a question to answer, but instead he demanded someone ask a tax question (no one had done so yet).
Apparently that audience member (or one of the other members), is someone who's been done for assault before.
 

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There's a YouTuber who runs a Labour discussion channel who revealed he applied to be in the audience and was approved after lying about his political beliefs (i.e. claimed to be pro-Brexit and pro-Tory when he wasn't). He then revealed his invite was rescinded the day before or something after his background as a pro-Labour commentator was discovered, but not before being given details about how the only way to get there was to meet a shuttle bus that would take you to an undisclosed location. He also thinks that either GB News had a double check over audience members selected last minute (clearly their first one wasn't very thorough), or Downing Street had a look over them after. Either way it sounds like there's a lot of dodgy/poorly thought out stuff in the selection process.

Surely you mean a carefully thought out selection process that did just what was intended and produced a load of soft lobs for Sunak with just a few dissenters who will ask badly thought out questions that can easily be ignored. I am sure that if they do give Starmer a go they will have sorted out the glitches and have a truly representative group of baby-eating neofascists and racists.
 

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There's a YouTuber who runs a Labour discussion channel who revealed he applied to be in the audience and was approved after lying about his political beliefs (i.e. claimed to be pro-Brexit and pro-Tory when he wasn't). He then revealed his invite was rescinded the day before or something after his background as a pro-Labour commentator was discovered, but not before being given details about how the only way to get there was to meet a shuttle bus that would take you to an undisclosed location. He also thinks that either GB News had a double check over audience members selected last minute (clearly their first one wasn't very thorough), or Downing Street had a look over them after. Either way it sounds like there's a lot of dodgy/poorly thought out stuff in the selection process.
This needs to be seriously investigated. According to the presenter, Stephen Dixon, Starmer has been invited, he needs to agree only if a thorough investigation takes place over these accusations first (once the commentator confirms them officially). I doubt whether Sunak was involved and I don't know enough about his team but I would lean towards a GB News initiative.
I think your last statement is generous. I don't watch many of those types of programme, but I do think that on Any Questions, it is stated that the audience may not be representative. Fair enough, the panel knows the situation but to imply that they are genuinely undecided when the YouTuber was acceptable as pro-Conservative but unacceptable as pro-Labour calls this into doubt
Surely you mean a carefully thought out selection process that did just what was intended and produced a load of soft lobs for Sunak with just a few dissenters who will ask badly thought out questions that can easily be ignored. I am sure that if they do give Starmer a go they will have sorted out the glitches and have a truly representative group of baby-eating neofascists and racists.
I've only watched a few snatches but Sunak appears to have proved that it is not only in cricket that you can still be caught out by a 'soft lob'.
 

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Sunak was hit with some pretty tough questions, no actual answers of course. A couple of times he said it was Labour's fault, still maybe Sunak can win the election and end the decade+ long Labour government - oh wait!
 

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Not the best news to receive on the day of 2 by-elections and in an election year:


The UK fell into recession during the final three months of last year, official figures show, after the economy shrank by more than expected.
Gross domestic product - a key measure of economic activity - dropped by 0.3%.
It follows a fall between July and September. The UK is considered to be in recession if GDP falls for two successive three-month periods.
It raises questions over whether Rishi Sunak has met his pledge to grow the economy.
It was one of five promises that the Prime Minister made in January 2023. However, it is not clear what measure the government will use to determine whether Mr Sunak has kept his pledge or not.
For the whole of 2023, the economy grew by 0.1%.
Nevertheless, excluding the Covid years, that annual growth figure is the weakest since 2009 when the UK and major economies were reeling from the global financial crisis.
Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves said the data showed that Mr Sunak's pledge to grow the economy was "in tatters".
Meanwhile, Chancellor Jeremy Hunt is less than three weeks away from unveiling his latest Budget.
The government can use growing GDP as evidence that it is doing a good job of managing the economy. Likewise, if GDP falls, opposition politicians say the government is running it badly.
If GDP is going up steadily, people pay more in tax because they're earning and spending more. This means more money for the government that it can choose to spend on public services, such as schools, police and hospitals.
Governments also like to keep an eye on how much they are borrowing in relation to the size of the economy.
Treasury sources have confirmed to BBC News that the chancellor is looking at a larger pencilled-in squeeze on public spending as a way to deliver tax cuts in the Budget on 6 March.
Forecasts for the public finances have materially deteriorated in recent weeks as interest costs on UK government borrowing has increased. Final decisions have not been made.
Commenting on GDP, Mr Hunt said: "While interest rates are high - so the Bank of England can bring inflation down - low growth is not a surprise."
He added that there were "signs the British economy is turning a corner".
But Mr Reeves said: "This is Rishi Sunak's recession and the news will be deeply worrying for families and business across Britain."
Economist Samuel Tombs from Pantheon Macroeconomics said it was "overly dramatic" to say that a fall in GDP for the second half of 2023 was a recession given that employment continued to rise and wages rose.
However, Lord Rose, chairman of Asda, the supermarket group, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it is a duck - it is a recession.
"It doesn't matter if it is a technical recession or not. There is no surprise here and I take no pleasure in saying there is no surprise that we're in it. We've got a low growth economy or a no growth economy."
Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed that during the final three months of last year, there was a slowdown in all the main sectors it measures to determine the health of the economy, including construction and manufacturing.
The figure for the final three months of last year was worse than a 0.1% fall widely forecast by financial markets and economists.
GDP for the third quarter, between July and September fell by 0.1%.
Ruth Gregory, deputy chief UK economist at Capital Economics, said the latest economic figures "might nudge the Bank of England a little closer to cutting interest rates".
"But we doubt the Bank will be too worried about what is likely to be a mild and short recession," she added.
 

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''We're on the up, so loosen the purse strings Mr Hunt!!'' as the Express was trumpeting with its usual acuity today:rolleyes:
 

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''We're on the up, so loosen the purse strings Mr Hunt!!'' as the Express was trumpeting with its usual acuity today:rolleyes:
The Telegraph has come up with

How worklessness and school truancy drove Britain into recession​

So now we know!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/oth...1&cvid=4aebbbd11f3f4fefbee495f1382d5d44&ei=13
at least they aren't blaming Labour.

I should declare an interest. I have a relative who was unemployed for quite some time. She wants to work but could get anyone to take her on, she is nervous but no-one would her a chance, quite probably because she has a disability. Some employers need to realise that if they are offering zero hours or minimum wage, they are not going to attract A* students!
 

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Labour has won both of the by-elections overturning big Conservative majority in both seats.

With the company sliding into recession and now this you have to wonder if Sunak will face a leadership challenge?

Realistically I don't think whoever is on power can turn it round baring Lavour getting it spectacularly wrong. Best for the Torys to accept a period in opposition and rebuilding.
 

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If the 28.5% swing from Conservative to Labour in Wellingborough were repeated nationally at the election, the Conservatives would end up with four seats. Obviously not going to happen, but the blame is being put on the selection of Peter Bone's girlfriend as the Conservative candidate, with the result that the national Conservatives stayed away from Wellingborough and didn't publicly endorse her selection.
EDIT Helen Harrison (the aforementioned girlfriend) says she's "absolutely" going to stand again at the general election. Her party, other than the people who selected her, must be hoping not; mind you she's more likely to win at a general election than she was yesterday.
 
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One issue I have with local government is how impossible it is to get through to them at times. This has only got worse since Covid.

One example: close to me, on the opposite side of the road, there is some council-owned property on which Japanese Knotweed was growing around 7 or 8 years ago. I tried to report it via phone, and no-one seemed to have a clue how to deal with it, or who to report it to.

Eventually the message obviously did get through (perhaps via someone else more persistent) as it seems to have disappeared in recent years.

Email is no better. Got a reply 2 weeks later, and this was about Council Tax of all things!
The only way I have got my council to actually deal with issues is going down the route of making a formal complaint, in line with their complaints procedure. I’m guessing not many people know about this because I typically get a reply from a senior officer within the council well within the timescales they give themselves, and the issues get sorted.
 

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The Telegraph (reported by The Guardian at https://www.theguardian.com/politic...conservatives-results-uk-politics-live-friday) has reported that plans for a 2p cut in income tax or National Insurance have been dropped because they can no longer be afforded.
New forecasts showing the high costs of servicing government debt mean that Mr Hunt has less money to spend than expected. The Telegraph understands he has therefore deemed both moves unaffordable for now.
The motivation for the cut was to bribe potential voters but also as a poison pill for the Labour government which - unwisely in my view - doesn't want to be seen to raise taxes. So I'm happy they're not so likely to happen, although of course personally I'd be happy to pay less tax.
 

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The only way I have got my council to actually deal with issues is going down the route of making a formal complaint, in line with their complaints procedure. I’m guessing not many people know about this because I typically get a reply from a senior officer within the council well within the timescales they give themselves, and the issues get sorted.
Yes this is an issue. In my professional role we're increasingly finding the only way to get issues with Housing Benefit or Council Tax Support resolved (and often even to get an understandable explanation for what the issue is let alone a resolution!) is to complain. That seems to get a response quickly and from someone who is able to put in writing a coherent explanation of the problem so you can then act accordingly (be that to challenge the decision or accept its validity).

This intuitively feels like it must be more expensive overall than simply ensuring the original decision is sent out with a coherent explanation but here we are...
 

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The Telegraph (reported by The Guardian at https://www.theguardian.com/politic...conservatives-results-uk-politics-live-friday) has reported that plans for a 2p cut in income tax or National Insurance have been dropped because they can no longer be afforded.
I, and at least half of the contributors to the Forum, could have told them that - months ago. We are in the mire, we all know that (except those who take the Express seriously #6921).

The motivation for the cut was to bribe potential voters but also as a poison pill for the Labour government which - unwisely in my view - doesn't want to be seen to raise taxes. So I'm happy they're not so likely to happen, although of course personally I'd be happy to pay less tax.
There are always the stealth taxes - keep tax bands where they are, for instance, unfreeze 'frozen' duties. Probably a few things that wouldn't affect the 'man-in-the-street'. Don't reverse the end to the cap on banker's bonuses - they will pay more tax. Try to clamp down on those moving money out of the country. If the Conservatives attack such policies, they need to go on the attack themselves 'Same old Tories, only interested in the rich'. After a few years, hopefully Labour will be seen as 'financially sound' and be able to take steps to improve the lot of the voters. An approach along the lines of 'Now Britain's Strong, Let's Make It Great 'o Live In' (although maybe not those words, it didn't work last time). It will take at least two terms - the important thing is to make sure there is a second.
 
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