Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

[Pacef8]

Maybe its a political tool to remove Redmond in a boardroom power battle. Anyway service now off at 5pm from rock ferry due to power supply problems.

 

[Bevan Price]

Have any more 777 entered service in the past few days? Seems mad to send units for scrap when they are covering 777 diagrams. How are the scrap units selected?

Quite likely to be due to accountants. "You've got too many trains - time to get rid of some".

 

[Snapper]

507021 still out as above, 507029 taken off diagram and replaced with a 777. 507003+16 still out so there are three pairs running off peak.

777005 has failed at Rock Ferry on 2C24. Being shunted in to a bay platform. One to watch.

777005 failed with a door fault on Monday. The PIS wasn't playing ball either, hence it displaying 'not in service' in this picture when it was actually working New Brighton's. https://PaulBigland.zenfolio.com/p371569599/ed3b86dee

 

[507001]

507021 still out as above, 507029 taken off diagram and replaced with a 777. 507003+16 still out so there are three pairs running off peak.

777005 has failed at Rock Ferry on 2C24. Being shunted in to a bay platform. One to watch.

507029 failed 1st thing (not that surprising as it was sat at New Brighton for ages -shoe pick up?) it was parked there at lunch with 507028. 507021 was turned round at Hooton (on the 1230 from L Central) as the 777 in front had some issues (005?) 507011+507023 went from Southport to Birkenhead North this morning. 507002 was stood outside Birkenhead North. 507014+507015 were out all day seen departing on 1757 ex Southport. 507003+507016 1542 from Southport were out for the peak only. 507031+507020 did the 1542 Southport to Hunts X and return only. 507001 did 1612 Southport Hunts X and return only.

 

[prod_pep]

507029 failed 1st thing (not that surprising as it was sat at New Brighton for ages -shoe pick up?) it was parked there at lunch with 507028. 507021 was turned round at Hooton (on the 1230 from L Central) as the 777 in front had some issues (005?) 507011+507023 went from Southport to Birkenhead North this morning. 507002 was stood outside Birkenhead North. 507014+507015 were out all day seen departing on 1757 ex Southport. 507003+507016 1542 from Southport were out for the peak only. 507031+507020 did the 1542 Southport to Hunts X and return only. 507001 did 1612 Southport Hunts X and return only.

Thanks for today's updates. 507029 was on the West Kirby line on Monday morning replacing a 777 which failed to start, then spending Tuesday between New Brighton and Birkenhead North Depot.

 

[Liverpool 507]

The next few weeks aren't going to be pretty, I fear. Only three six-car sets on the Southport line this evening (and one of those was on a normally three-car working), and that's with 004 amongst them!

507011 and 507023 both in Southport sidings and not used for peak, so potentially two more out of service to add to 507002, 507017 and 507028 on the sick list. 507029 also went from New Brighton sidings to North depot, then back to New Brighton today, although this unit was on the West Kirby line yesterday morning.

Worth saying that despite 508104's many faults, it has remained fully serviceable throughout and still had several years worth of overhaul mileage left. Personally, I think pulling all the 508s early despite several having only recently had overhauls is a big mistake.

507029 failed 1st thing (not that surprising as it was sat at New Brighton for ages -shoe pick up?) it was parked there at lunch with 507028. 507021 was turned round at Hooton (on the 1230 from L Central) as the 777 in front had some issues (005?) 507011+507023 went from Southport to Birkenhead North this morning. 507002 was stood outside Birkenhead North. 507014+507015 were out all day seen departing on 1757 ex Southport. 507003+507016 1542 from Southport were out for the peak only. 507031+507020 did the 1542 Southport to Hunts X and return only. 507001 did 1612 Southport Hunts X and return only.

507011 & 507023 will need a post-fatality inspection and bio-clean before returning to service. There was a 5T65 evening move on Monday night which I would have thought would have been those two units over to Birkenhead North, but obviously not. Is it 011 or 023 at the Southport end?

 

[prod_pep]

507011 & 507023 will need a post-fatality inspection and bio-clean before returning to service. There was a 5T65 evening move on Monday night which I would have thought would have been those two units over to Birkenhead North, but obviously not. Is it 011 or 023 at the Southport end?

011 Southport end.

 

[Bikeman78]

777005 failed with a door fault on Monday. The PIS wasn't playing ball either, hence it displaying 'not in service' in this picture when it was actually working New Brighton's. https://PaulBigland.zenfolio.com/p371569599/ed3b86dee

I saw three running around with Not in service on the external displays. The inside displays were working fine.

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507011 & 507023 will need a post-fatality inspection and bio-clean before returning to service. There was a 5T65 evening move on Monday night which I would have thought would have been those two units over to Birkenhead North, but obviously not. Is it 011 or 023 at the Southport end?

They ran to Kirkdale this morning. Seen in the Sandhills reversing siding around 0920.

 

[gazthomas]

Good morning everyone. Any information on planned moves for 507001 today (Thursday) would be greatly received.

 

[ls2270]

Good morning everyone. Any information on planned moves for 507001 today (Thursday) would be greatly received.

Morning,

Its next working is 2S09 0806 Hunts X - Southport.

 

[507001]

Thanks for today's updates. 507029 was on the West Kirby line on Monday morning replacing a 777 which failed to start, then spending Tuesday between New Brighton and Birkenhead North Depot.

No Worries - Any 507s out on the Wirral and which services are pairs on the Southports please?

 

[ls2270]

No Worries - Any 507s out on the Wirral and which services are pairs on the Southports please?

Current allocations for the 507 fleet:

507001 and 014:
2S09 0806 Hunts X - Southport

507003:
2U12 0827 Southport- Hunts X

507007:
2N07 0853 N Brighton - N Brighton

507010:
2N06 0738 N Brighton - N Brighton

507013 and 018:
2S13 0906 Hunts X - Southport

507015 and 016:
2S11 0836 Hunts X - Southport

507017:
2N08 0808 N Brighton - N Brighton

507020:
2U11 0812 Southport - Hunts X

507021:
2Y05 0749 Ellesmere P - Ellesmere P

507023 and 031:
2S12 0851 Hunts X - Southport

507030:
2S06 0721 Hunts X - Southport

507032:
2S08 0751 Hunts X - Southport

507033:
2S07 0736 Hunts X - Southport

 

[gazthomas]

Thank you very much

 

[507001]

Cheers LS2270 - will try again for EP

 

[prod_pep]

Thanks a million for today's allocations @ls2270. They help with today's plans no end.

 

[CallmeDave]

Latest Allocations
New Brighton .
xx08 017
xx38 010,
xx53 007

Ellesmere Port 021 is on 1342 1512 1642 1812 1949 2119 2249

Southports
1342 030,
1357 033,
1427 001
1442 new and yellow
1457 015
1512 014
1527 018 013
1542 016
1557 020 003
1612 030 031
1627 033 023
1642 no allocation
1657 001
1712 new and yellow
1742 014
1757 018 013
1812 016
1827 020 003
1842 030 031

2027, 2057, 2112 2257 are shown 6. (Wait to see if it happens)

Things do change especially at Southport 6 cars morph into 3s and sets get altered. The above is what's shown.

 

[Sam 76]

Latest Allocations
New Brighton .
xx08 017
xx38 010,
xx53 007

Ellesmere Port 021 is on 1342 1512 1642 1812 1949 2119 2249

Southports
1342 030,
1357 033,
1427 001
1442 new and yellow
1457 015
1512 014
1527 018 013
1542 016
1557 020 003
1612 030 031
1627 033 023
1642 no allocation
1657 001
1712 new and yellow
1742 014
1757 018 013
1812 016
1827 020 003
1842 030 031

2027, 2057, 2112 2257 are shown 6. (Wait to see if it happens)

Things do change especially at Southport 6 cars morph into 3s and sets get altered. The above is what's shown.

I’d be surprised given there is not enough units even for Ormskirks if there is any 6 cars tonight

 

[Liverpool 507]

2U25 (1142 SOP-HNX) and 2S28 return were booked to be worked by 507032, but the former terminated at Hightown for some reason that hasn’t been mentioned by the social team.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Latest Allocations
New Brighton .
xx08 017
xx38 010,
xx53 007

Ellesmere Port 021 is on 1342 1512 1642 1812 1949 2119 2249

Southports
1342 030,
1357 033,
1427 001
1442 new and yellow
1457 015
1512 014
1527 018 013
1542 016
1557 020 003
1612 030 031
1627 033 023
1642 no allocation
1657 001
1712 new and yellow
1742 014
1757 018 013
1812 016
1827 020 003
1842 030 031

2027, 2057, 2112 2257 are shown 6. (Wait to see if it happens)

Things do change especially at Southport 6 cars morph into 3s and sets get altered. The above is what's shown.

There shouldn't be that many on New Brightons... What's happened?

 

[prod_pep]

There shouldn't be that many on New Brightons... What's happened?

Yes, there should. Three booked 507 diagrams on the New Brighton line Monday - Saturday.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Yes, there should. Three booked 507 diagrams on the New Brighton line Monday - Saturday.

How long until they go to Southports only?

 

[karlbbb]

Southports

1557 020 003

Looks like this combo has just gone pop. Got to Birkdale 6 minutes late (after leaving Southport only 1L) and now running as 5U42.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Looks like this combo has just gone pop. Got to Birkdale 6 minutes late (after leaving Southport only 1L) and now running as 5U42.

Seems to be happening a fair bit more with the 507s over the past week than it was before?

 

[karlbbb]

Seems to be happening a fair bit more with the 507s over the past week than it was before?

Could just be the cold affecting their old bones! It's been a chilly one this week. Not a great working to fail - it would become 2S46 which is the 1723 out of Central to Southport. Very busy one, that.

 

[prod_pep]

507011 has run from Birkenhead North to Kirkdale, where it collected 507032 following that unit's earlier failure. The pair are now on their way back over the water as 5T64.

 

[Sam 76]

507011 has run from Birkenhead North to Kirkdale, where it collected 507032 following that unit's earlier failure. The pair are now on their way back over the water as 5T64.

Could just be the cold affecting their old bones! It's been a chilly one this week. Not a great working to fail - it would become 2S46 which is the 1723 out of Central to Southport. Very busy one, that.

The 17:23 starts at Sandhills now, and no more 6 cars renders the network unusable unless you want to be crushed for the next hour or so.

Also I fear they may need to reduce the service tomorrow. It seems like a heck of a lot of units needing attention

 

[prod_pep]

The 17:23 starts at Sandhills now, and no more 6 cars renders the network unusable unless you want to be crushed for the next hour or so.

Also I fear they may need to reduce the service tomorrow. It seems like a heck of a lot of units needing attention

Today started with up to four 507s unavailable (507002/011/028/029) which is just about manageable. There are now up to two more out of action (032 and potentially either 003 or 020), which will result in some six-cars being short-formed (assuming none of these is fixed) but no loss of service on 507 diagrams.

The situation with the 777s is another matter. It seems there were none spare at all today, hence the Ormskirk line having cancellations for much of the day.

One thing that doesn't help with the Southport line pairs is running one all day which does not meet the high peak in the afternoon, i.e. the 1636 Hunts X - Southport. This is a significantly busy service but not close to the loads the three services after it attract.

 

[The_Train]

Seems to be happening a fair bit more with the 507s over the past week than it was before?

They will still have a fair way to go to catch up with the failures on those fancy new units

 

[Liverpool 507]

Has 507023 returned to service?

 

[MR-507508]

Today started with up to four 507s unavailable (507002/011/028/029) which is just about manageable. There are now up to two more out of action (032 and potentially either 003 or 020), which will result in some six-cars being short-formed (assuming none of these is fixed) but no loss of service on 507 diagrams.

The situation with the 777s is another matter. It seems there were none spare at all today, hence the Ormskirk line having cancellations for much of the day.

One thing that doesn't help with the Southport line pairs is running one all day which does not meet the high peak in the afternoon, i.e. the 1636 Hunts X - Southport. This is a significantly busy service but not close to the loads the three services after it attract.

Why are some 6 cars running all day on the Southport - Hunts Cross line at the moment? Is it to do with the closure of platform 1 and the wall sidings at Southport station currently?