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V/Line Melbourne Loco Hauled: Remaining Services

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Hi all, I have seen reference to only 10 loco-hauled services remaining out of Melbourne daily.

I’m in Melbourne at the end of the month - would like to give one a go.

I cannot find any reference online to what specific services there are. Does anyone here have the info?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Hi all, I have seen reference to only 10 loco-hauled services remaining out of Melbourne daily.

The five return weekday Warrnambool (267 kilometres from Melbourne Southern Cross trains (three each way on weekends) are locomotive hauled sets, in theory with a staffed buffet.

First class has been abolished but if you reserve a seat in car A, this will be an ACN car that has reversible and reclinable ex-first class aircraft-style seating (2+2 across).


The two daily return Swan Hill trains (345km from Melbourne Southern Cross) are also loco hauled:


A very limited (weekday only) number of peak period trains on the Geelong/Waurn Ponds line (which forms a c.80km section of the Warrnambool line) are loco hauled.

Provided you have time, I highly recommend a day trip to Port Fairy, using a V/Line road coach beyond Warrnambool.

An alternative is that on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays one can do a 'round trip' for A$10.60 return (!): Geelong by train (use an earlier Warrnambool line train if you wish), then road coach along The Great Ocean Road to Apollo Bay, change coaches with an 11 minute guaranteed connection - insufficient time to buy lunch - then a second road coach to Warrnambool, connect to train to Melbourne with buffet:


The Bendigo line as far as Eaglehawk (a Bendigo suburb) is worth doing as to Bendigo it was the original main line (built c.1860-1862) with some stations and many bridges of bluestone, such as Kyneton and Malmsbury laytter also has a wonderful viaduct but you can hardly see from trains).

You can use a myki smartcard as far as Eaglehawk and Waurn Ponds on the two lines respectively. No extra charge if already using it from Melbourne (apart from exceeding the two hour A$5.30 limit, when it ticks over to become a 'daily' fare):


If you travel to Warrnambool or along The Great Ocean Road you must have a V/Line paper ticket (also covers you for Melbourne's trains, trams and buses) so buy on the day,m or days before, at Southern Cross or Flinders St V/Line booking offices (Flinders St V/Line window, near corner Flinders and Swanston Streets, not open for as much of each day as the country and interstate terminal at SC).

Why not also do a day trip on the UK HST "similar" XPT from Melbourne to Albury, or even the small towns of either Culcairn or Henty? These loco hauled sets are 41 or so years old, and will be unfortunately replaced by 2026 (replacement contract is over budget, and late). NSW TrainLink operates these trains: depart Melbourne 0830 daily, arrive back at 1830 (if on time). First class and economy seating available:

 
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Thanks very much for your detailed response - much appreciated, thanks!

This trip includes a long weekend in Apollo Bay with friends, and the XPT journey down from Sydney, and I’ve been up to Bendigo and Kyneton couple of times previously, so I’ll take a look through the other options you’ve laid out.

Looking forward to getting down to Victoria again!
 

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Looking forward to getting down to Victoria again!

While it's summer and so there's usually no main line steam trains, there are a couple of Steamrail tours that may be during your visit.

The Tait electric trains are great: as a lad, I travelled on them many times. The Sandringham line terminates in a beacside, pleasant upper middle class suburb:

 

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Not many.

One H set is remaining on weekdays on the Geelong line. 0723 up Ex Geelong/1631 down ex Southern Cross.
N wise 1xVN still does a weekday Geelong train 0536 ex Waurn Ponds/1812 ex Southern Cross.
1xVN operates the morning up Bairnsdale and evening down Bairnsdale.

Outside of that:
All Warnambool trains and Swan Hill trains.
 

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Pre-Covid did Bairnsdale-Melbourne and Melbourne-Albury loco hauled. I actually think apart from a trip to Lake Balaton in Hungary in the late 1990s it was the first time I'd gone loco hauled since the Trans-Pennine went over to DMUs. I understand the economics of using multiple units but there is something about loco hauled though. I am however a fan of the Vlocity sets.
 

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Hi all, I have seen reference to only 10 loco-hauled services remaining out of Melbourne daily.

I’m in Melbourne at the end of the month - would like to give one a go.

I cannot find any reference online to what specific services there are. Does anyone here have the info?

Thanks in advance!
The Vline journey planner will show you the actual train formation, complete with schematic seat maps with real time availability, even without booking.

Well worth a look.

I'm off on a $10.00 day return to Warrnambool on Monday.
 

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The Vline journey planner will show you the actual train formation, complete with schematic seat maps with real time availability, even without booking.

Well worth a look.

I'm off on a $10.00 day return to Warrnambool on Monday.

Normally, Warrnambool trains have at least two unreserved cars ('coaches' in UK jargon) at the front when departing Southern Cross, Melbourne or the rear from the rural city end.
 

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Normally, Warrnambool trains have at least two unreserved cars ('coaches' in UK jargon) at the front when departing Southern Cross, Melbourne or the rear from the rural city end.
I missed that subtlety - wasn't sure how many.

But the main thing is that it helps the OP be confident as to what is actually loco hauled.
 

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Am I correct in thinking that the only remaining N class services are the Swan Hill services? Will these still be loco hauled in November this year?
 
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Am I correct in thinking that the only remaining N class services are the Swan Hill services? Will these still be loco hauled in November this year?

Yes, correct. Warrnambool, Bairnsdale, Shepparton and (on standard not broad gauge) Albury, the long distance routes, are completely VLocity railcars.

AFAIK Swan Hill should still be loco hauled in November 2025.

If so, obtain a free reserved seat in car A as these cars, classified 'ACN' have 2+2 reversible and reclinable seats (former first class before that class was abolsihed) whereas other carriages have 2+3 fixed seating, mostly in bays (but no tables).

If you can bear a three hour road coach journey from Swan Hill to Mildura, the latter is well worth visiting as it has mini trips along the Murray River that separates Victoria and NSW.

Beyond the Bendigo "suburban" area, you require a paper ticket for travel to either Swan Hill or Mildura. You can book online, or at the booking office at Southern Cross station. Flinders St station has a V/Line window at the Federation Square/Swanston St main entrance, but it's not open as long each day as the Southern Cross booking offices.

You can also use the paper ticket to travel on trams/trains/buses in Melbourne on the day you're journeying.

Fare for an adult is A$11 return, or A$5.50 single (i.e. one way).

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

This video is dated - the 'H sets' have been withdrawn - but it gives an overview of V/Line locos/railcars/carriages:

 
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Am I correct in thinking that the only remaining N class services are the Swan Hill services? Will these still be loco hauled in November this year?
Correct. How long they have left will depend on how long it takes to upgrade the Swan Hill line crossings.
 

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Am I correct in thinking that the only remaining N class services are the Swan Hill services? Will these still be loco hauled in November this year?

If you are short of time, you could travel on the early morning Southern Cross (Melborune) - Swan Hill train as far as Bendigo (or the junction station of Eaglehawk beyond Bendigo) and see Bendigo's fine Victorian architecture plus travel on the 'Talking Tram' from Bendigo's Pall Mall, the remnant of Bendigo's tramways that last saw regular trams as public transport in c.1972. Your V/Line ticket is valid on Bendigo's buses.

Or you could visit historic Castlemaine in the goldfields, or even travel (noting limited running days) to Maldon on the Victorian Goldfields Railway, a branch line that closed in 1976. Maldon is Victoria's first 'Notable Town' as awarded by the National Trust in 1970:



 

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Thanks both. The current plan is a trip to Bendigo. I did Warrnambool a few years ago after the Great Ocean Road coach trip.
 

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Any information on end date yet?

AFAIK 2032 is the aim, given there are well in excess of 50 level crossings between Eaglehawk, Kerang and Swan Hill that require upgrading. Some are 'occupation crossings' rather than public roads.

The newest VLocity railcars have enhanced 'crash protection' but my guess is the memories of the 2007 truck-train crash not far from the town of Kerang would stick in V/Line management's memories. That was between a loco-hauled (N class) passenger train and a truck: a VLocity railcar would probably have seen more fatalities as the loco-hauled passenger cars (apologies: in Oz that's short for 'carriages') stood up very well all things considered.

The socialist Victorian state government is broke, so it'll be interesting to see if that date changes.
 

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AFAIK 2032 is the aim, given there are well in excess of 50 level crossings between Eaglehawk, Kerang and Swan Hill that require upgrading. Some are 'occupation crossings' rather than public roads.

The newest VLocity railcars have enhanced 'crash protection' but my guess is the memories of the 2007 truck-train crash not far from the town of Kerang would stick in V/Line management's memories. That was between a loco-hauled (N class) passenger train and a truck: a VLocity railcar would probably have seen more fatalities as the loco-hauled passenger cars (apologies: in Oz that's short for 'carriages') stood up very well all things considered.

The socialist Victorian state government is broke, so it'll be interesting to see if that date changes.
So loco haulage will remain until 2032?
 

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Unless road coaches take over - unlikely - yes, based on information to date.
Thanks very much, really appreciate information. Chance may be out there next year and thought might have finished by then. Could be worth a punt!
 

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Thanks very much, really appreciate information. Chance may be out there next year and thought might have finished by then. Could be worth a punt!

You can do a day return to Swan Hill, or stay overnight.

Try to book a seat in car A as this is the former first class car with 2+2 reclinable (and reversible) seating. Seat reservation is free.

Alternatively at SH, V/Line road coaches connect to Mildura, which is also well worth a visit:

 

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You can do a day return to Swan Hill, or stay overnight.

Try to book a seat in car A as this is the former first class car with 2+2 reclinable (and reversible) seating. Seat reservation is free.

Alternatively at SH, V/Line road coaches connect to Mildura, which is also well worth a visit:

Thank you for the information, will do a day return as time likely to be limited.
Appreciate your help with this.
 

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Thank you for the information, will do a day return as time likely to be limited.
Appreciate your help with this.

If you buy your paper ticket (from Southern Cross station booking offices, or Flinders St station at the ticket window adjacent to St Kilda Road trams), you receive free travel for the day on Melbourne's trains, trams and buses. So if you're staying outside the CBD free tram zone, this makes the $11.00 return V/Line paper ticket even better.
 

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If you buy your paper ticket (from Southern Cross station booking offices, or Flinders St station at the ticket window adjacent to St Kilda Road trams), you receive free travel for the day on Melbourne's trains, trams and buses. So if you're staying outside the CBD free tram zone, this makes the $11.00 return V/Line paper ticket even better.
Thanks for the info, definitely a bonus having that.
 

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In fact you can also buy V/Line tickets at staffed Melbourne suburban stations (of which there are many).
That's very useful to know, thanks.
 
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