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The Point Pleasant Junction to East Putney spur

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I may be wrong, but I’d always assumed the use of the Spur was much more for AM down ECS rather than PM up ECS was that it provided a nice way for trains to get to Wimbledon Park without having to cross the up main at Wimbledon.
Quite, though not very convenient from the low numbered platforms at Waterloo!
In the PM peak the trains needing the Down Main departures could be run out via the Up Main and those needing the Windsor lines could also run up the Up Main and cross over to the Windsor side between Clapham Jct and Waterloo. There would have been fewer lines to cross in the afternoon than in the morning.
I have a 1978-9 WTT, and in summary:
Up via East Putney - 4 early morning as mentioned already and 4 evening peak.
Via Earlsfield was at least twice as many in the evening, I lost count! I suspect the 4 evening trains to the Windsor side could have been squeezed through on the Main side, or altered to berth at Clapham Yard which I recall wasn't completely full at that period. Hence the loss of the flyover wouldn't have been a crisis.
 
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Quite, though not very convenient from the low numbered platforms at Waterloo!

I have a 1978-9 WTT, and in summary:
Up via East Putney - 4 early morning as mentioned already and 4 evening peak.
Via Earlsfield was at least twice as many in the evening, I lost count! I suspect the 4 evening trains to the Windsor side could have been squeezed through on the Main side, or altered to berth at Clapham Yard which I recall wasn't completely full at that period. Hence the loss of the flyover wouldn't have been a crisis.
Well Point Pleasant was even worse for the low numbered platforms. My guess is the up ECS needing low numbers went to 5 and 6 and departed Down Slow. Slightly off topic am I right that low numbered platforms needing Wimbledon Park sometimes went to Hampton Court to reverse and then back to the depot?
 

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From these timings it can be seen that an earlier departure has been in place from Wimbledon Depot in the 21st Century, due to increased service levels on LUL District line,
Off-peak the District service from Edgware Road terminated at Putney Bridge, until these were extended to Wimbledon as a result of the Law Lords Cuts timetable changes around 1983/84.
A 9-train service ran to Edgware Road in the peak, reducing to current 7 around 2002
 

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Well Point Pleasant was even worse for the low numbered platforms. My guess is the up ECS needing low numbers went to 5 and 6 and departed Down Slow. Slightly off topic am I right that low numbered platforms needing Wimbledon Park sometimes went to Hampton Court to reverse and then back to the depot?
As far as I was concerned one tried to keep the plan as simple as possible. Minimum conflicting (crossing) moves etc, so as to minimise any potential disruption. Empties out of Wimbledon Depot via East Putney would normally be for Windsor line services starting at Waterloo (Windsor side). In bound to Wimbledon Depot via East Putney could be off Windsor line services or certain main line services. In the case of the latter these would where possible be planned to arrive Waterloo in the plat 12-15 sort of area (I am talking pre Waterloo International here, although the basic principles didn't change after then), so their outbound empty journeys had straight forward access to the Down Windsor Lines.
Trains starting on the Mainline suburban side at Waterloo, if formed of empties from Wimbledon Depot, had a couple of preferred routes. The first was from No 1 siding in the depot (alongside the Up Slow line at Wimbledon station end), from where an empty could depart and then run up and over the flyover, so was positioned on the Up slow from the off, and the other exit from this siding was at the Staff Halt out on to the Up Fast. In this instance any such train could then (if required) cross to the Up Slow at that same point outside the depot (via a ladder from UF to US) or alternatively at London end of Vauxhall. In addition there was a third exit at the Earlsfield end of the depot, out on to the Up Fast again.

Inbound empties to depot from Waterloo main side, would generally be planned to run Down Fast from Waterloo (or Down slow to Vauxhall then out to DF) and enter the depot at the staff halt, but most such moves were (in my time) restricted to late evening as a rule, as crossing the Up Fast outside the depot could prove difficult to plan. Hence main line trains requiring the depot after the morning peak generally went Down Windsor and via East Putney, as mentioned above (plat 12-15).

Yes, your last point is quite correct. When no other paths were available to get in to the depot, certain trains left Waterloo and ran to Hampton Court, and/or Chessington to turn back, entering the depot off the Up slow just London side of Wimbledon station.
 
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Off-peak the District service from Edgware Road terminated at Putney Bridge, until these were extended to Wimbledon as a result of the Law Lords Cuts timetable changes around 1983/84.
A 9-train service ran to Edgware Road in the peak, reducing to current 7 around 2002

Hi - I'm unclear how extending the Edgware Road trains from Putney Bridge to Wimbledon was a cut; unless they replaced services from the trunk part of the District (which ceased to have any trains "turning left" at Earls Court, thinning out the service through from the east, as well as only going to Richmond and Ealing in the west)?

I presume the cuts referred to are when the court decided that the GLC subsidising/expanding public transport in London, using an increased GLC precept on the boroughs' rates, was ultra vires? [Thanks Bromley.]
 

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By getting up with the sun in the summer months, it is easy to do this route in the up direction and actually see where you are going. But in the down direction it is ordinarily not possible to see anything, except a few LUL roundels and a few lone passengers looking confused about why a big train is passing the station.

I can confirm that on Sunday 30th July 2023 I managed to travel in the down direction in broad daylight at around 0630.

Sadly I overwrote my trip diary with an older version, so I no longer have the headcode or exact times of the train I took. I would be grateful for anyone who could provide this information.

Unfortunately all the following trains which will use this route in the down direction will be in complete darkness. If you are lucky and 2D07 on 4th Feb is delayed by around 10 minutes you may just about be able to see something.

I did an enquiry on OTT using TIPLOC = EPUTNEY and, apart from several ECS, and the above mentioned trains the following are returned for the dates in the 6th and 7th columns. That is what is says, don't shoot the messenger.

Y00333VAR1F83XX0033 London Waterloo (Main) - Guildford2024-01-092024-01-12MSXSW
Q95040STP2P86OO0015 Haslemere - London Waterloo (Main)2024-02-042024-02-04SUNSW



Y01614VAR2D06OO0605 Wimbledon - London Waterloo (Main)2024-01-282024-01-28SUNSW

Y02825VAR2K05OO0603 London Waterloo (Main) - Wimbledon2024-01-282024-01-28SUNSW
Y01614VAR2D06OO0612 Wimbledon - London Waterloo (Main)2024-02-042024-02-04SUNSW
Y02825VAR2K05OO0620 London Waterloo (Main) - Hampton Court2024-02-042024-02-04SUNSW
Y01616VAR2D07OO0624 London Waterloo (Main) - Surbiton2024-01-282024-01-28SUNSW
Y01619VAR2D08OO0635 Wimbledon - London Waterloo (Main)2024-01-282024-01-28SUNSW
Y01619VAR2D08OO0636 Wimbledon - London Waterloo (Main)2023-12-102023-12-10SUNSW
Y01616VAR2D07OO0633 London Waterloo (Main) - Epsom2024-02-042024-02-04SUNSW
Y01619VAR2D08OO0642 Wimbledon - London Waterloo (Main)2024-02-042024-02-04SUNSW
 

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Sadly I overwrote my trip diary with an older version, so I no longer have the headcode or exact times of the train I took. I would be grateful for anyone who could provide this information.
Only a guess, but depending on eng work possessions, the (as was) 2K05, 06.18 Waterloo-Kingston-Richmond-Waterloo 'rounder' was in years past sometimes diverted via the Windsor lines at Clapham Junction, then down the East Putney to Wimbledon where it would regain its booked pathway.
 
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