Been charged for fare evasion SJP PLS HELP

[Kgnkg1997]

I’ve been charged with one offence of fare evasion and was sent a single justice notice procedure and been found guilty and was given a 600 fine.

I already missed my court date.

Who do I write to to get my case dismissed or settled out of court?

I work with young people and this could have a major effect on my career; someone please help me.

 

[Silverlinky]

I think you have missed the boat....just like you missed your court date? How did that happen?

 

[Kgnkg1997]

The letter was sent to my old address. I was convicted and given a £600 fine

 

[unslet]

First question. Are you guilty of deliberate fare evasion?

 

[30907]

We need a bit more detail to make sense of this.

When did the original incident happen? What t8cket did you have, what paperwork did you receive at the time, and what happened next?

Could you upload a copy of any letters (with personal details blocked out)?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

The letter was sent to my old address. I was convicted and given a £600 fine

Did you not have mail redirected?

 

[Kgnkg1997]

First question. Are you guilty of deliberate fare evasion?

No it wasn’t deliberate I was in a rush on my way to the airport I thought I had money on my oyster card from the day before however I didn’t. I even went up to the ticket inspector to say that my oyster wasn’t working. Once I found out there was no money l there I topped up immediately. However I was given a fine and forgot about it as I was on holiday for a week and also was sent to my old address

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No it wasn’t deliberate I was in a rush on my way to the airport I thought I had money on my oyster card from the day before however I didn’t. I even went up to the ticket inspector to say that my oyster wasn’t working. Once I found out there was no money l there I topped up immediately. However I was given a fine and forgot about it as I was on holiday for a week and also was sent to my old address

I was also got off at the incorrect station

 

[MotCO]

Did you give the inspector your correct address? How did you find out about the fine, if you had moved house?

 

[skyhigh]

However I was given a fine and forgot about it

Are you saying you were given a Penalty Fare and didn't pay it?

and also was sent to my old address

Have you changed address since the incident or did you give the inspector a previous address?

 

[yorkie]

I’ve been charged with one offence of fare invasion and was sent a single justice notice procedure and been found guilty and was given a 600 fine.

I already missed my court date.

Who do I write to to get my case dismissed or settled out of court?

It's no longer possible to settle out of court, a the case has already been brought before the courts.

Without knowing any further information, it's not possible to advise any further than that.

I work with young people and this could have a major effect on my career; someone please help me.

Without knowing what legislation the conviction is for (e.g. Regulation of Railways Act or Railway Byelaws) , it's difficult to comment on that.

However if it was a simple Byelaw offence, then providing you discuss the matter with your employer, it might not affect your employment.

 

[MotCO]

I was also got off at the incorrect station

You got off at the wrong station when you were on the way to the airport?

 

[Sputnik89]

If the first you knew of it is the conviction notice (or some other means), you can get it set aside by making a statutory declaration. Straightforward.

Appeal a magistrates’ court decision

How to challenge a decision by a magistrates' court. Including how to get a fine reviewed, if you did not know about your case, how to appeal to the Crown Court.

www.gov.uk

 

[Kgnkg1997]

It's no longer possible to settle out of court, a the case has already been brought before the courts.

Without knowing any further information, it's not possible to advise any further than that.

Did you give the inspector your correct address? How did you find out about the fine, if you had moved house?

I got sent a attachment of earnings order to my workplace

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Are you saying you were given a Penalty Fare and didn't pay it?


Have you changed address since the incident or did you give the inspector a previous address?

I didn’t give him my address he just took my name and my oyster details

 

[yorkie]

I didn’t give him my address he just took my name and my oyster details

It would be odd that they didn't ask for your address.

Presumably the Oyster card was registered under your old address.

But there is still nowhere near enough information for us to advise further. Unless you are able to provide a lot more information, I will lock the thread shortly.

 

[Kgnkg1997]

You got off at the wrong station when you were on the way to the airport?

Yes I got of

It's no longer possible to settle out of court, a the case has already been brought before the courts.

Without knowing any further information, it's not possible to advise any further than that.

Without knowing what legislation the conviction is for (e.g. Regulation of Railways Act or Railway Byelaws) , it's difficult to comment on that.

However if it was a simple Byelaw offence, then providing you discuss the matter with your employer, it might not affect your employment.

I have been charged with Contrary to byelaw 17(1) and 23 of the Transport for London Railway Byelaws made under paragraph 26 of Schedule 11 to the Greater London Authority Act 1999 and confirmed under section 67 of the Transport Act 1962.

 

[yorkie]

I have been charged with Contrary to byelaw 17(1) and 23 of the Transport for London Railway Byelaws made under paragraph 26 of Schedule 11 to the Greater London Authority Act 1999 and confirmed under section 67 of the Transport Act 1962.

This is a strict liability offence, which does not require any intent to avoid payment of the fare; a reasonable employer should not terminate your employment for this.

You've not been found guilty of deliberate fare evasion.

Anyone can be convicted of a strict liability offence simply though making a mistake, with no ill intent.

Without knowing the exact circumstances we are unable to offer any further advice, however.

 

[Kgnkg1997]

It's no longer possible to settle out of court, a the case has already been brought before the courts.

Without knowing any further information, it's not possible to advise any further than that.

Without knowing what legislation the conviction is for (e.g. Regulation of Railways Act or Railway Byelaws) , it's difficult to comment on that.

However if it was a simple Byelaw offence, then providing you discuss the matter with your employer, it might not affect your employment.

I spoke with a lawyer he said that it’s possible to settle out of court but I must sign a statutory declaration. I have been charged with Contrary to byelaw 17(1) and 23 of the Transport for London Railway Byelaws made under paragraph 26 of Schedule 11 to the Greater London Authority Act 1999 and confirmed under section 67 of the Transport Act 1962.

Enter a compulsory ticket area on Compensation £4.90 the Transport for London regional Fine £220.00
railway network without a valid ticket

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I was in a rush on my way to the airport I thought I had money on my oyster card from the day before however I didn’t. I even went up to the ticket inspector to say that my oyster wasn’t working. Once I found out there was no money I topped up immediately. However I was given a fine and forgot about it as I was on holiday for a week and also was sent to my old address

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 28 Nov 2023 ==

This is a strict liability offence, which does not require any intent to avoid payment of the fare; a reasonable employer should not terminate your employment for this.

You've not been found guilty of deliberate fare evasion.

Anyone can be convicted of a strict liability offence simply though making a mistake, with no ill intent.

Without knowing the exact circumstances we are unable to offer any further advice, however.

I was in a rush on my way to the airport I thought I had money on my oyster card from the day before however I didn’t. I even went up to the ticket inspector to say that my oyster wasn’t working. Once I found out there was no money I topped up immediately. However I was given a fine and forgot about it as I was on holiday for a week and also was sent to my old address

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I’ve been charged with one offence of fare invasion and was sent a single justice notice procedure and been found guilty and was given a 600 fine.

I already missed my court date.

Who do I write to to get my case dismissed or settled out of court?

I work with young people and this could have a major effect on my career; someone please help me.

 

[30907]

1. See post #12 for the link for the Statutory Declaration. Once you have made this (the solicitor will charge a small fee for "hearing" it ) the case will be rehearsal.
This is your opportunity to ask the prosecutor about an out-of-court settlement; however, it is TfL policy not to offer these, so you may be out of luck.

2. The charge (your text got corrupted) is

"Enter a compulsory ticket area on the Transport for London regional railway network without a valid ticket"

which TfL use for almost all ticketing offences, and is a "non-recordable" offence; travelling without enough money on your Oyster is self-evidently "not having a valid ticket."

3. Unless you are prepared to explain the original events,, there is nothing more to say, but I hope the above helps.

 

[Hadders]

I spoke with a lawyer he said that it’s possible to settle out of court but I must sign a statutory declaration. I have been charged with Contrary to byelaw 17(1) and 23 of the Transport for London Railway Byelaws made under paragraph 26 of Schedule 11 to the Greater London Authority Act 1999 and confirmed under section 67 of the Transport Act 1962.

This is correct. A Statutory Declaration has the effect of 'resetting the clock'. Arrangements will be made for the case to be re-heard so that you can prepare your defence. What you need to do in the meantime is try and persuade TfL to settle out of court and withdraw the court proceedings. If TfL won't play ball there is little point in making a Statutory Declaration, other than the possibility of a reduced fine for pleading guilty.

The biggest problem here is that Transport for London do not normally entertain out of court settlements, and I doubt they will in this case.

A Bylaw conviction isn't normally entered into the Police National Computer and ordinarily won't show on DBS checks. That said I would always advise being honest if you are asked if you have a criminal conviction. A conviction for a minor railway ticketing matter shouldn't normally impact your career prospects.

 

[Kgnkg1997]

Thank you for responding. who do I reach out to regarding an out of court settlement TFL or magistrates court ?

 

[Hadders]

Thank you for responding. who do I reach out to regarding an out of court settlement TFL or magistrates court ?

Transport for London. As I said earlier I would be extremely surprised if they agree to an out of court settlement.

 

[Haywain]

If TfL do not settle, the SD is still worthwhile as the fine at a new hearing would be discounted if a guilty plea is entered.

 

[FenMan]

I'm still struggling with the OP's statement they got off "at the wrong station" when travelling to an airport.

 

[75A]

Bizare in the extreme.

 

[Kgnkg1997]

I'm still struggling with the OP's statement they got off "at the wrong station" when travelling to an airport.

I was on my way to gstwick. I had get of as east Croydon I got off a south Croydon instead

 

[John R]

I think you have missed the boat....just like you missed your court date? How did that happen?

Not true, as a Statutory Declaration can wind the clock back, although obviously it's a bit of a hassle, but potentially preferable if an OOC settlement can be arranged and the implications of a conviction are serious.

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I was on my way to gstwick. I had get of as east Croydon I got off a south Croydon instead

East Croydon is an unusual station to alight at on your way to Gatwick, but unless you tell us otherwise we will assume that it has no bearing on the situation you are in.

 

[Hadders]

TfL do not operate East Croydon or South Croydon stations so you won't have been given a Penalty Fare by TfL at those stations.

 

[furlong]

West Croydon perhaps?

 

[pedr]

If you have spoken to a lawyer and obtained some advice which sounds sensible to you, it might be better to pay for that lawyer’s services in this matter, if attempting to reverse and avoid a criminal conviction is worth the money to you. Attempting to get advice from professionals who can take on the correspondence in your case at the same time as asking on the internet risks confusing matters, particularly as we don’t seem to have all the information here.

Do note that the process for a statutory declaration must be begun very soon after the first time you heard of the conviction.

 

[fandroid]

East Croydon is an unusual station to alight at on your way to Gatwick, but unless you tell us otherwise we will assume that it has no bearing on the situation you are in.

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East Croydon is a station which provides, by alighting there and tapping out and tapping back in again, a way of reducing the London to Gatwick fare.

It looks as if the OP got on an Overground train which doesn't go to East Croydon but terminated at West Croydon.

All evidence of total confusion!

The OPs posts so far back that up. I'm not sure that any advice here is going to help. A specialist solicitor might get through to the OP in a way that we cannot