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susanlunt2003

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Hi, I am looking for advice please. I pre booked a train ticket from Paris to Milan, via Trainline. When arriving at the station, the train had been cancelled. This was cancelled the week before because of a landslide but we hadn't been informed. At the station, we couldn't change the ticket because we had bought via Trainline. We were advised to get a refund when we got home. We had to buy new tickets, and travel onv4 new trains via Switzerland, buying the tickets as we went. We spent an extra £400. Trainline won't help at all, they said I have to contact Trenitalia, which I have, still waiting for a response, and will only refund the cancelled ticket and won't offer any compensation towards the extra tickets that we bought. Any advice please?
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Hi, welcome to the forum! I've moved your post to the International section as it's best suited to this :)

Unfortunately Trainline and Trenitalia are being very unhelpful with the current situation concerning the landslide on the Lyon-Turin line. Neither are taking responsibility for helping affected customers, beyond offering them a refund - which as you say, isn't much use if you need to pay more for a ticket via an alternative use.

Legally speaking you were entitled to require Trenitalia to rebook you via the quickest alternative route, at no extra cost; this is under the EU Rail Passenger Rights and Obligations Regulation (PRO). However, they are effectively ignoring their obligations in this respect and so you have little choice but to take action against them to recover your costs (when they inevitably tell you they're not paying up).

For domestic Italian journeys, Trenitalia has an arrangement with an Alternative Dispute Resolution provider, but it's unclear what arrangements they have for international journeys. You might want to ask them about this. Otherwise you might be limited to taking legal action against them, which is understandably not an attractive proposition.

In future I'd recommend booking journeys such as these directly with the operator if possible. If you do this using a credit card and the cost of each person's ticket is at least £100, you benefit from section 75 protection, allowing you to pursue your credit card lender (including through the Financial Ombudsman if needed) instead.

For future journeys you could also consider using an Interrail pass, which gives you much greater flexibility. This isn't valid on Trenitalia's Paris service, but it is on SNCF's TGV "inOui" service - and given the flexibility it would have set you back little (if anything) extra to use on an alternative route via Switzerland. If you were travelling from the UK on Eurostar it may even have saved you money overall.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
 
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They're required to offer ADR for any journey, so if that's not the ADR mentioned above, then ask them which one it is or just file a complaint with the one above.
In addition, you may want to file a complaint with the Italian national enforcement body (complaint form) because they're breaching Regulation 2021/782.
 

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They're required to offer ADR for any journey, so if that's not the ADR mentioned above, then ask them which one it is or just file a complaint with the one above.
In addition, you may want to file a complaint with the Italian national enforcement body (complaint form) because they're breaching Regulation 2021/782.
Good suggestion there. Sadly I wouldn't hold out high hopes for the Italian NEB taking action either; a lot of the Romance countries have a rather cosy arrangement between the regulator and national operator.
 

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Good suggestion there. Sadly I wouldn't hold out high hopes for the Italian NEB taking action either; a lot of the Romance countries have a rather cosy arrangement between the regulator and national operator.
I've seen some decisions by them so it's not they're not doing anything. I'd say just send off the complaint form, since when you don't do that, you're sure nothing will happen.
 

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If you had bought the ticket direct from Trenitalia, this would not have been a problem.

My first thought is that the easiest way to handle this is to contact your local European Consumer Centre, but I don't know if that's an option for you after Brexit.
 

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If you had bought the ticket direct from Trenitalia, this would not have been a problem.
Getting a refund wouldn't - that's what they want to palm people off with. Getting them to rebook you, on the other hand, is virtually impossible.
 

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Getting a refund wouldn't - that's what they want to palm people off with. Getting them to rebook you, on the other hand, is virtually impossible.
Part of the problem is that they are an open-access operator, so they have no alternative route as such (or only in the sense that Ryanair have Easyjet).

That said, it would have been relatively straightforward to allow FR passengers to use the EC to Geneva, which gets you halfway to Paris.
 

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Not helpful to the OP but why are tickets still be sold for a route that has been closed for months and is not planned to reopen for a while
 

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Thank you for your helpful and informative replies. It was interesting that neither Trainline, nor Trenitalia informed us that this happened. It was so unorganised on the day, that I thought it had happened overnight. I was amazed when I found out it had happened a week before. You would have thought there would have been information on the day, to offer passengers an alternative. There was nothing, only a Trenitalia guy who said he would change the tickets, but when he realised we bought them via Trainline, he said we could only get a refund afterwards. There were of course, lots of people, day after day, going through this.
I have contacted Trenitalia, but haven't heard anything yet. Do you think they will only pay a refund for the tickets that were cancelled and leave us with the bill for the extra tickets?
 

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I have contacted Trenitalia, but haven't heard anything yet. Do you think they will only pay a refund for the tickets that were cancelled and leave us with the bill for the extra tickets?
They might, but as already stated, they're required to offer an alternative at no extra costs if you still wanted to travel. They're also required to reply within a month after a complaint, either with a final answer or that it takes them a bit longer, after which they must send their answer within 3 months after you complained.
If you haven't received a reply within those limits, then you can regard that as a refusal and escalate.
 
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