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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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QSK19
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Oh dear, not a positive development at all. Doesn’t bode well for reliability when they enter service.
Killingworth
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At an EMR event that must have been at least a couple of years ago I suggested that 2023 was optimistic and that it would be 2025 before they were all in service. Without any inside specific knowledge to back up my opinion I was assured I was far too pessimistic.
I'd like to think they'll still get a few into service in 2024 but all by the end of 2025 it certainly is beginning to look too optimistic.
QSK19
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I hope you had a wager on that? A ride on the first 810 service maybe?
zwk500
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Is there not one at the new Doncaster IEP depot?
IEP is fully booked doing its normal wheel maintenance on the LNER and TPE stock.
AndrewJM70
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An off-duty EMR train manager I happened to be sitting near on a train out of St Pancras told me that the first units will be ready in April 2024 but that the problem is more the crew training which has been held up because of the strikes. It is realistically likely to be Summer/Autumn which is also what I read in a recent issue of Modern Railways.
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Unit 001 is a Hitachi test unit at Old Dalby.
Part of 002 is in Italy for climate testing.
From Unit 003 onwards these are in production at Newton Aycliffe.
They need another unit at Old Dalby for multiple working tests and everything that’s goes with running 2 units together.
Add in all the fault free running and I don’t see April being a realistic date .
Driver trainer training isn’t planned until Feb/March according to Hitachi insiders, although EMR had that originally planned for late Nov/early Dec.
Every date that Hitachi are meant to meet for EMR, just keeps slipping later and later.
They dont have any units to train the crews up with, so regardless of strikes, they can’t get any training done.
Unit 001 is a Hitachi test unit at Old Dalby.
Part of 002 is in Italy for climate testing.
From Unit 003 onwards these are in production at Newton Aycliffe.
They need another unit at Old Dalby for multiple working tests and everything that’s goes with running 2 units together.
Add in all the fault free running and I don’t see April being a realistic date .
Driver trainer training isn’t planned until Feb/March according to Hitachi insiders, although EMR had that originally planned for late Nov/early Dec.
Every date that Hitachi are meant to meet for EMR, just keeps slipping later and later.
The point is more that ASLEF haven’t got a training agreement as yet, which could prove problematic, albeit hopefully the dispute will be resolved imminently and allow this to progress.
August 2024 is floating around as a target for service, but that’s obviously subject to a. Enough units and b. Enough crews for initial diagrams.
QSK19
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An early inspection of its future territory
Jamesrob637
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A single diagram from Leicester or Derby to Loughborough on the 30th of December 2024, anybody?!
How? No units are accepted by EMR.
810001 is going to Etches Park for wheel turning due to several server flats.
Jamesrob637
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It was in jest for a soft launch next year, given rumours of a early-2025 introduction have circled on here.
ChrisC
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I found it quite amusing. They could then say that introduction was in 2024.
TT-ONR-NRN
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The New Years' TPE-MK3 joke is becoming really quite overdone now. The 810s are miles off, and EMR have not yet widely publicised or promised a 2024 introduction anyway, so such an obligation is not required.
Yes, although it isn't the only time it has happened. SWT did something similar with the 707s, before their franchise ended.
Hopefully such clauses aren't so prevalent in more recent contracts.
I don't think that a contractual obligation has to be publicised to be an obligation. December 2024 is still a year away, but we should not speculate that there is such a provision without actual information.
What's the headcode?
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Early Monday arrival, departs Tuesday
It also wouldn’t be remotely sensible to suggest a date when it’s a complete unknown at the moment, and subject to various unpredictable factors.
Nottingham59
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I know it's in test mode, but how does a modern EMU get wheel flats? Even emergency stops will/should have full wheelslip protection.
It is leaf fall season……
WSP doesn’t prevent wheel flats, even on modern units. The wheels still lock up momentarily when the system is activated.
craigybagel
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Even the best WSP system can't defeat the laws of physics all of the time.....
Or, it’s really crazy to do brake tests on a like surrounded on all sides trees in leaf fall season, on a line that a RHTT doesn’t operate on to clear all the pesky leaves and mulch from.
I think any current train doing brake tests on the Dalby line during autumn would suffer the same.
Peter Sarf
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Then again its a good time to test the WSP on the Old Dalby line in the leaf fall season. Either that or wait until they are in service !.