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I'm pretty sure Cameron would have refused that option if offered. He always struck me as too lazy to do much campaigning (or very much else). Plus the high probability of a humiliating defeat.
It brings an Old Etonian back to a senior position in the Cabinet which will be reassuring to all those Tories who consider that to be the natural order of things. Even Rees-Mogg has given a qualified welcome, though Dorries's 'views' are currently unknown. Maybe she needs to consult Dr No. Now, where's George Osborne when you need him?
It brings an Old Etonian back to a senior position in the Cabinet which will be reassuring to all those Tories who consider that to be the natural order of things. Even Rees-Mogg has given a qualified welcome, though Dorries's 'views' are currently unknown. Maybe she needs to consult Dr No. Now, where's George Osborne when you need him?
More seriously, there are some questions to be asked about the wisdom of the appointment. He has been called the most pro-Israeli PM of all, which may ruffle a few feathers at the moment, and he has been somewhat friendly towards China. He did not distinguish himself over Ukraine in 2014, but most of Europe will see him as the man who completely messed up things and caused Brexit. Additionally, having him in the Lords has a whiff of old-fashioned, out-of-date paternalism.
I think parliament voted against him because they'd learnt the mistakes of rushing in without the proper intelligence first being in place from what happened when we invaded Iraq and Libya. Some of the people fighting against the Syrian president were fighting for democracy, but others were members of groups, such as ISIS.
Given 6 of the G8 countries did take action in Syria at the time, did the lack of British military personnel have any real effect?
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"Enough is enough. If it wasn't bad enough that we have a party leader that the party members rejected, the polls demonstrate that the public reject him, and I am in full agreement. It is time for Rishi Sunak to go"
Sadly the likes of Cameron and May represent the old EU lapdog days and every reason why we ended up with brexit. The failed old status quo if you like.
I don't think whether Cameron or May being remainers is particularly relevant though. Britain has left the EU and won't be going back any time soon.
Was that typo calling Sunak "Sunk" a Freudian slip?
It would be good to see another re-arranging of deckchairs on the Titanic before the next GE.
Very aggressive driver on my bus home from Tottenham Hale today after being crammed on a 5 car 720...
Sadly the likes of Cameron and May represent the old EU lapdog days and every reason why we ended up with brexit. The failed old status quo if you like.
"EU lapdog"? Utter nonsense. Maybe Brexit hasn't affected you adversely personally, but it has some of us. It's not the "old failed status quo". It's since 2016 that this country has gone to the dogs. We've gone from being an open and welcoming country to a hard and unwelcoming country that seems to consider keeping foreigners out (and not just from the EU, but, according to another poster, seemingly from places such as the USA too) a virtue.
FWIW though I don't have much time for Cameron, not least because he was silly enough to hold the badly-designed referendum in the first case.
Your opinion. Not all of us have swallowed the Brexit kool-aid. Many of us think it's irrational, illogical nonsense that makes life more difficult than it was before, and needs to be softened as soon as possible.
I think more and more people are wising up to this. Brexit has not improved our life one iota, quite the reverse in fact for some of us, and I suspect people are realising it was all a Tory game to improve their electoral performance. And it did, for a while. But now time's up for them.
...and to murdering the English language.
The one newspaper article I saw about her letter quoted it and had to include a large number of [sic] annotations.
I find it funny that the man who quit after losing a vote on whether unelected bureaucrats should have power over us or not is now an unelected bureaucrat with power over us.
I find it funny that the man who quit after losing a vote on whether unelected bureaucrats should have power over us or not is now an unelected bureaucrat with power over us.
Cynically, one could wonder if the opportunities for him to make money are not coming in so frequently. After all, there is hardly a shortage of former Conservative PMs. Foreign Secretary puts him back in the limelight and will raise his profile amongst those who will wish to hear his words of wisdom when he is out of office again.
More seriously, there are some questions to be asked about the wisdom of the appointment. He has been called the most pro-Israeli PM of all, which may ruffle a few feathers at the moment, and he has been somewhat friendly towards China. He did not distinguish himself over Ukraine in 2014, but most of Europe will see him as the man who completely messed up things and caused Brexit. Additionally, having him in the Lords has a whiff of old-fashioned, out-of-date paternalism.
Precisely why the appointment of Foreign Secretary seems so completely crazy. Sunak seems to completely lack strategy and just seems to be running around like a headless chicken trying random things in the hope that they will work.
Seems a sensible reshuffle to me. Get rid of Braverman but then bring Esther McVey as Minister of Common Sense to appeal to the red wall. Bring back David Cameron as appealing to the Blue Wall given he finished off the Lib Dems in 2015.
Seems a sensible reshuffle to me. Get rid of Braverman but then bring Esther McVey as Minister of Common Sense to appeal to the red wall. Bring back David Cameron as appealing to the Blue Wall given he finished off the Lib Dems in 2015.
"Minister of Common Sense"? Something a little bit McCarthyist about that. So if you don't align with current Tory values, you are not following "common sense" and are probably unpatriotic and a bit suspect, or something.
And I doubt Cameron will appeal to the blue wall unless they radically change direction and completely drop the anti-woke nonsense, which they obviously aren't doing. And I suspect that the blue wall blame him, alongside others, for Brexit.
No, the appointment of Cameron while at the same time creating the above post just sounds like they are firing off on all cylinders with no clear direction, in a desperate attempt to appeal. It all sounds like some April Fool's joke.
Seems a sensible reshuffle to me. Get rid of Braverman but then bring Esther McVey as Minister of Common Sense to appeal to the red wall. Bring back David Cameron as appealing to the Blue Wall given he finished off the Lib Dems in 2015.
I think you're right, actually.
I just feel that we've now got a government made up (almost entirely) of adults with some competence and an intention to do the best they can with the brief they've been given.
It's a relief after years of bonkers politicians given posts simply because they're for or against leaving the EU, or - in Boris's case - because they support him without question.
Actually having some grown-ups running the country for the first time in a long while is going to be a relief.
They're still doomed at the next election, though.
Your opinion. Not all of us have swallowed the Brexit kool-aid. Many of us think it's irrational, illogical nonsense that makes life more difficult than it was before, and needs to be softened as soon as possible.
Yes, they are opinions. But I was just arguing against an opinion contrary to that of my own, nothing wrong with that. But it was "EU lapdogs" that wound me up, I will admit that. So I think "Brexit kool-aid" is a fair riposte!
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I think you're right, actually.
I just feel that we've now got a government made up (almost entirely) of adults with some competence and an intention to do the best they can with the brief they've been given.
Is McVey that, though? And is "Minister for Common Sense" (I realise that's an informal title) really an "adult" post, or a post to promote the right-wing populist policies of the current Tory Party?
And is Sunak really a grown-up? His unwavering support for Braverman for instance, until now at any rate - that doesn't make him look good. And appointing Anderson, who is probably even worse than Braverman, if that were possible.
And Cleverly, I'm not impressed with him either, I've always considered him firmly on the right of the Tory Party.
BTW any news on Anderson, has he been given the boot?
Yes, they are opinions. But I was just arguing against an opinion contrary to that of my own, nothing wrong with that. But it was "EU lapdogs" that wound me up, I will admit that. So I think "Brexit kool-aid" is a fair riposte!
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You are normally so calm and water off a duck's back. Everyone has their vulnerability eh
Saying that though, I can't see us entering the customs union or single market in isolation. It would either have to be fully in or not at all. That debate is probably for another thread.
If the likes of Cameron coming back are a trend...there isn't going to be that much to choose from between them and Starmer's Labour. But of course the general public have just about had enough the current regime so SKS will get in by default.
