TfW withdrawals (Now just 150/158s to go)

[Rhydgaled]

Who is 'we' and who did the telling? All I've seen is rumours and guessing, nothing official.

'We' is people who read this topic (and/or related topics) on this forum. I can't remember who did the telling.

 

[Bob Price]

Saw this on a Threads post. According to the Railway Express Magazine Chiltern have rejected the idea of having the 175's.

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[Jamesrob637]

The 17:30 Manchester to Swansea (or Cardiff) was today a two-carriage 197. The 175s should have remained until the December timetable change if not longer. Needless to say, I jumped on the Avanti 5 minutes later, since I was only travelling as far as Stockport.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Not sue how you can prefer a 150 to the superior ride quality and comfort of a 170, a 158 yes, a good alternative.

I didn't say from a ride quality perspective, just from observing them in general. The TfW 170s are much comfier, especially declassified First Class, but they're abundant on the Lydney line.

 

[Lurcheroo]

The 17:30 Manchester to Swansea (or Cardiff) was today a two-carriage 197. The 175s should have remained until the December timetable change if not longer.

That’s been over a few times already on this thread. It just couldn’t happen or TFW would have done so.

 

[MP393]

175009 on route to Landore from Chester this morning as 3Z98

*EDIT* - Just passed this service at Nantwich, it is 009 solo - not with 003 as RTT states.

Realtime Trains | 3Z98 0925 Chester to Landore T.M.D. | 10/11/2023

Real-time train running information for 3Z98 0925 departure from Chester to Landore T.M.D. on 10/11/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[175001]

003 should have gone too but they couldn't get it started

 

[MP393]

009 should have gone too but they couldn't get it started

Just for clarity I presume you mean it was 003 that wouldn’t start? It was definitely 009 that passed me at Nantwich on its own.

 

[175001]

Apologies yes. Thought I'd edited it!

 

[anthony263]

Definitely 009

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175102 just passed me at Port Talbot Parkway on the 5m42 empty stock working to Crewe. Passed through about 4 minutes early.

 

[170UTD]

170206 arriving from TFW on 19/11 next one 6th December and final one 21st jan

Remaining 170 ex southern staying for another year with southern with a possibility it will not move to EMR

Taken from the EMR Class 170 updates thread just in case anyone missed it. More departures of stock soon.

 

[The_Train]

Definitely 009

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175102 just passed me at Port Talbot Parkway on the 5m42 empty stock working to Crewe. Passed through about 4 minutes early.

Is that another one to Gresty Lane?

Edit: Apologies, was being lazy with this post and have now checked RTT to confirm it was - well Gresty Green, anyway

 

[Caaardiff]

Taken from the EMR Class 170 updates thread just in case anyone missed it. More departures of stock soon.

Would TFW really just keep 1 in the fleet? That must be an operational nightmare. Unless they're having maintenance in between and not being used in service.

 

[170UTD]

Would TFW really just keep 1 in the fleet? That must be an operational nightmare. Unless they're having maintenance in between and not being used in service.

I was wondering that as well. Maybe just for a bit of insurance post timetable change (at least for a few weeks)?

 

[craigybagel]

Would TFW really just keep 1 in the fleet? That must be an operational nightmare. Unless they're having maintenance in between and not being used in service.

To be fair for a short term period it shouldn't give too much trouble. There's plenty of other units that can rescue it if it fails, there's plenty of people who sign it so there isn't any training needs, and there's probably enough spare parts in Canton to keep it going a little longer.

 

[The_Train]

175102 has moved to Ilford today

 

[norbitonflyer]

Am I right in thinking that the 175s are the first post-privatisation class to go extinct? (The 460s were rebuilt as 458s, although the rebuilt cars will soon be gone too)
Mark 5 hauled stock next?

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Am I right in thinking that the 175s are the first post-privatisation class to go extinct? (The 460s were rebuilt as 458s, although the rebuilt cars will soon be gone too)
Mark 5 hauled stock next?

They're not extinct yet, not a single unit has been scrapped.

 

[Wyrleybart]

Am I right in thinking that the 175s are the first post-privatisation class to go extinct? (The 460s were rebuilt as 458s, although the rebuilt cars will soon be gone too)
Mark 5 hauled stock next?

AIUI the class 460 cars were mostly formed up into class 458 units, with serious rebuilds of cab ends and couplers. The cars that were not converted to 458s I believe were scrapped - about 6 luggage vans ?

As far as I am concerned class 460 is extinct unless anyone ever back-converts a set of class 458 cars back into a 460. Pretty impossible wihout the jigs to modify the "Darth Vader bodyshell I would suggest.

 

[43096]

AIUI the class 460 cars were mostly formed up into class 458 units, with serious rebuilds of cab ends and couplers. The cars that were not converted to 458s I believe were scrapped - about 6 luggage vans ?

Four of the driving luggage cars were scrapped. The other four were converted to standard vehicles and are in sets 458532/536. The total of 64 Class 460 vehicles was used to augment the 458/0s to 5-car (30 vehicles), and create 6 x 5-car "new" sets (30 vehicles, incl 12 driving cars), leaving four driving cars for scrap.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Extinct on National Rail services.
Yes, 460 is gone for good, even if all but four vehicles were still in service in 458s until recently (they are readily identifiable by the strip glazing) and will be the last to run as 458/5s as they are not to be converted.

 

[Bikeman78]

Extinct on National Rail services.
Yes, 460 is gone for good, even if all but four vehicles were still in service in 458s until recently (they are readily identifiable by the strip glazing) and will be the last to run as 458/5s as they are not to be converted.

What about class 379? They finished early last year.

 

[Penmorfa]

Class 332 Heathrow Express were the first, all scrapped now

 

[Defiance149]

Class 332 Heathrow Express were the first, all scrapped now

Apart from the three cars at Siemens, Goole that is.

 

[norbitonflyer]

What about class 379? They finished early last year.

I'd forgotten about Class 379, although I've always thought of them as just another Electrostar subclass. (Do they actually differ from 375s, 377s and 387s any more than individual subclasses of those classses do from each other?)

Good call on the 332s, although they were actually ordered some years before privatisation of BR itself.

 

[45076]

I'd forgotten about Class 379, although I've always thought of them as just another Electrostar subclass. (Do they actually differ from 375s, 377s and 387s any more than individual subclasses of those classses do from each other?)

I think its been reported elsewhere on one of the threads that the reason the 379's got parked up was the leasing cost being too expensive

 

[Mag_seven]

Just a gentle reminder that this thread is for the discussion of TFW Class 15x Class 17x withdrawals.

If anyone wants to discuss any other class then they are welcome to start a new thread or find an existing thread on that class of rolling stock.

thanks

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

A new low, perhaps

Image description: Class 150 interior; seat cushion has been removed from the base, rendering the seat effectively unusable

 

[Mat17]

Tables on a 150! Wow.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Tables on a 150! Wow.

All TfW and about 17/20 of GWR's 150s have 2+2 seating with armrests and tables.