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Terry844

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I do believe that is where I went wrong last time regarding the instruction to prioritise
That is what catches most people out I think, to me none of the tests were particularly hard it’s more understanding the instructions and what is required of you in the tests. When you go again make sure you read and understand the instructions in the tests, and ask questions if you need to before each test begins.
Best of luck to you
 
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That is what catches most people out I think, to me none of the tests were particularly hard it’s more understanding the instructions and what is required of you in the tests. When you go again make sure you read and understand the instructions in the tests, and ask questions if you need to before each test begins.
Best of luck to you
@Terry844 when you did this test would you say on the third stage you missed a fair few of the symbols to concentrate more on the track? Or do you feel you still managed to barely miss any on both symbol and track side?
 

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@Terry844 when you did this test would you say on the third stage you missed a fair few of the symbols to concentrate more on the track? Or do you feel you still managed to barely miss any on both symbol and track side?
I focused on the primary task but I did get the majority of the secondary task
 

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I bought this software, knowing what my test was last time I think this is invaluable.
@Terry844 do u think these scores in the pic are high enough to pass? 90% or higher 131 out of 140 correct and in time?
 

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RogerDoger

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Hello Everyone

I have been monitoring this forum for some time now and it has been a great help.

I have just applied for an Apprentice Driver Role at a local TOC, but have a query regarding medical standards if I may.

When I was 9 years old I had a single tonic-clonic seizure (convulsions) I was admitted to a hospital where a number of tests were conducted. This was put down as a single episode and I never received any medication or further treatment. The doctors said that sometimes due to development in children, they can have one-off seizures. It certainly wasn't put down as epilepsy or anything like that. Since that day I have never suffered any other medical episodes and have a flawless medical record.

I have searched the forum and seen a question regarding someone with diagnosed epilepsy asking a similar question, but would anyone have any knowledge as to whether this would prevent me from meeting the required standard for a driver?

I have looked up the standards on the RSSB and they state the medical practitioner would need to believe you have a condition that could lead to blackouts, sudden loss of consciousness etc etc. I would struggle to see how someone could believe I would suffer from one of those bearing in mind it was over 30 years ago!

All the best
 

Applepie356

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Hello Everyone

I have been monitoring this forum for some time now and it has been a great help.

I have just applied for an Apprentice Driver Role at a local TOC, but have a query regarding medical standards if I may.

When I was 9 years old I had a single tonic-clonic seizure (convulsions) I was admitted to a hospital where a number of tests were conducted. This was put down as a single episode and I never received any medication or further treatment. The doctors said that sometimes due to development in children, they can have one-off seizures. It certainly wasn't put down as epilepsy or anything like that. Since that day I have never suffered any other medical episodes and have a flawless medical record.

I have searched the forum and seen a question regarding someone with diagnosed epilepsy asking a similar question, but would anyone have any knowledge as to whether this would prevent me from meeting the required standard for a driver?

I have looked up the standards on the RSSB and they state the medical practitioner would need to believe you have a condition that could lead to blackouts, sudden loss of consciousness etc etc. I would struggle to see how someone could believe I would suffer from one of those bearing in mind it was over 30 years ago!

All the best

Pretty sure it’s a permanent bar, but don’t quote me on that.
 
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Without wanting to give all my medical history to the forum, I’ve also had a single tonic clonic seizure in the past. This was a one off event, proven to be caused by a (now cured) medical condition. My current consultant and GP were able to provide a letter to prove that when requested at my first railway medical. Once provided, I had no problems passing.

As I am sure others will say, do not be tempted to hide it at your medical as this will be much worse!
 
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Hi Guys,

Just wondering about the medical during the application process...

I'm prescribed Gabapentin. Is this going to be a problem? - Have tried numerous searches online but still not managed to find a real answer.

Thanks

TNS
 

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Hi Guys,

Just wondering about the medical during the application process...

I'm prescribed Gabapentin. Is this going to be a problem? - Have tried numerous searches online but still not managed to find a real answer.

Thanks

TNS
As with most advice around this topic - it won’t necessarily be the medication that throws a spanner in the work. The medical will look at the whole picture - what condition it’s treating, how long you’ve been on the medication, side effects, etc.

I know it’s not overly reassuring but there is no firm answer here.
 

IronRoad88

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Hello all,

Currently got a start date for the 2nd of October but still have not been told a date for my medical. Would anybody be able to advise me what it would involve? I have also been told it could take place while im in training but if i fail it then the offer could be revoked. Is this right if so would i be able to defer myself to the next school as i have a mortgage and bills to pay
 

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Medicals normally test for eyesight,colour blindness,hearing,blood pressure,diabetes,drugs,weight and height. Some can be more stringent as others may point out.
I can’t see the point of a company starting to train you before a medical,perhaps they do now.
 

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i was thinking that myself. im in very good health dont drink or do drungs and train on a daily basis. i still feel leaving my job without knowing if i have this job for sure is a big ask for a company. thank you for your response.
 
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i was thinking that myself. im in very good health dont drink or do drungs and train on a daily basis. i still feel leaving my job without knowing if i have this job for sure is a big ask for a company. thank you for your response.

Can you not contact them? Surely, that would be the best option.

We can only speculate here, the TOC will be able to give you the answers.
 

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Having a start date is probably a good sign that the jobs yours but I understand your concerns. If you are worried about failing one of the above you could consult your doctor’s surgery prior to leaving your old job.
 

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Unless a contract has been signed then it's a provisional date. Usually you get the contract after the medical results but may differ for TOC/FOCs
 

JW7

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Hi everyone, how long do the results of a medical typically take? I’m still waiting for a medical date, but was just curious about the medical timescale.
 

Bailey

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No. This test is to see if you can remember information you’ve just heard and read. It’s a test of short term memory. If you fail and need to re-sit the test you get a different passage of text about a train’s braking system.
Hi, is this a definite? I've got to re-do this test along with a couple of other's as its been five years since passing. I heard that the "Gloup" test had changed. Many thanks.

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Hi folks - I hope this is okay.

I personally have just gone through the first part of the tests. Passed.

I would just like to thank people who put forward what they did and what to roughly expect, as it’s fresh in my mind, I thought I’d give an account of what happened on my test day.

It was TEA - OCC, DOTS, TRP1&2

TEA - OCC - first test was 10 sets of beeps ( low tones are always first - count them ) use fingers

Then it was a phone book with symbols and names. Circle the ones with double symbols. I.e OO, XX,**

Third test was both tests combined Look through phonebook while counting beeps, and we did this 6 times.


This ^^ was very accurate to tests and sets you at a higher standard.

DOTS - 5 pages with 25 across and 16 down. I got 11 lines on 3 and 10 lines on 2.

TRP1&2 - Part 1, read a passage for 5 mins then you have 8 mins to answer 18 questions on it. You can write notes but they are taken away before test starts.

Part 2 - dials - you are presented with fictitious dials from a train cab and rules relating to their functioning. You are required to apply the rules to determine the order in which the dials should be checked. This is 43 questions 8mins - you will never complete this - so do not worry, plenty on here can attest to that. I answered 29 with the last being a guess as time ran out.

Hope this helps those in the future.
Everyone’s experience on these threads helped me, just thought I would collectively keep it together.

Now need to wait for my DMI and hopefully pass that and the next stage. Wish me luck ✌
Hi, was the TRP 1 about a Train depositing "Gluop"? Many thanks
 
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gatters

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Hi everyone, how long do the results of a medical typically take? I’m still waiting for a medical date, but was just curious about the medical timescale.
it depends on which company is doing the testing and whether anything needs to be referred to a doctor to check but shouldn't take long. I had to have some info checked by a doctor but still had a phone call with the results before I'd got home from the appointment
 

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Folks
I've just started the process to become a driver with EWR at Bletchley.
I did the computer-y test (2 handed, joysticks and a button I recall)for GTR back in about 2016, and sadly failed - although I did pass the Group Bourdon etc etc.
I have heard rumbles that all test results before a certain date were invalid, therefore giving me two lives again.
I can't find any information about this, does anyone know?
Cheers
 

musicontrain

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Folks
I've just started the process to become a driver with EWR at Bletchley.
I did the computer-y test (2 handed, joysticks and a button I recall)for GTR back in about 2016, and sadly failed - although I did pass the Group Bourdon etc etc.
I have heard rumbles that all test results before a certain date were invalid, therefore giving me two lives again.
I can't find any information about this, does anyone know?
Cheers
Hi, I think in your situation you have got one live remained.
Passes are valid for up to 5 years. But fail(s) stayed with your record unless they decide to introduce a new format of assessment. (was in 2013 if I remember)
So you held a pass for the Group bourdon until 2021. And if you got invited to assessment stage this time, you have to take everything again, and you can't fail anything this time if you want to proceed.
 

cazza0811

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Hello all,

I recently undertook the driver psychometrics for another TOC - one that I believe has one of the highest standards in the country. I achieved Enhanced standard on all but the 2hand test; on which I achieved national.

I’ve been told by people who have got to interview with Northern that had the same results as me that they met the standard. So are Northern really Enhanced Paper tests and lower standard computer tests?

Cheers
 

CCnottoolate

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Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum and I am reaching out with a specific question. For those with psoriatic arthritis or those taking methotrexate, have you successfully passed the medical for a trainee train driver position? Any insights or experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
 

glassteam

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Hi guys, I have accepted a role with a TOC as a station ticket inspector, I am pending my medical. I currently work in healthcare and I am prescribed tramadol as back pain flares up from time to time due to the heavy moving and handling in my role, as this is a non safety critical role, should this be an issue if this is declared and detected in my drug and alcohol test?
 

Mr_Resist0r

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Hi all,

I'm sure this has been answered before but I can't find an answer. I have passed my psychometrics to the industry standard with my current employer and am currently waiting for a course date but nothing in writing, prior to this I applied for another position with another company in case my original application failed, this new job has now asked me to sit SCAAT, DFFT and TRFS assessments again. If I attend these assessments and fail as I believe they are to the enhanced standard, will I lose my industry-standard pass mark? I don't want to jeopardize what I've already got but I don't want to miss the opportunity. I'm confused about how the OPC works and the rules behind these assessments. Any advice would be appreciated.
 

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If I attend these assessments and fail as I believe they are to the enhanced standard, will I lose my industry-standard pass mark?
If you fail the assessments you overwrite your previous pass. If you pass to National standard where the new TOC requires Enhanced, then you retain a National standard pass.
 

Mr_Resist0r

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If you fail the assessments you overwrite your previous pass. If you pass to National standard where the new TOC requires Enhanced, then you retain a National standard pass.
Thank you for clearing that up, I understand now. It's an assessment with different pass rates, lower and higher and should you fall beneath the national standard pass mark you reset, but should you pass higher than that then you would retain what you already have or achieve above. Thank you for your time, you'd think all this info would be on the OPC website or on the assessment emails. Thanks again!
 

Bailey

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Hi all, has anyone done the "Train Braking System" TRP 1 Assessment recently?. I also have to redo the TRP 2 Dials test as well as its been 5 yrs since passing them!!!
 

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Hi could anyone thats previously done a raat test with xc tell me.

How many questions there are?
How long it's timed for ?

Also would a better/quicker technique be to read the question first then read the paragraph?

And also any other advice?
 

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