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Spaceflower

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How cheap is life? Does it depend where you live or how you live?

How do you calculate the cost of someones life?

Would you calculate your own differently?
 
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How cheap is life? Does it depend where you live or how you live?

How do you calculate the cost of someones life?

Would you calculate your own differently?

This in an interesting thread!

I suppose the cheapness of life depends on how hard you are prepared to work.
If you work hard and get a good job, where you live and how you live should be better. To calculate the cost of someones life? I don't know, try adding up all their assests and placing a score on their overall hapiness. But those are merely my ideas.
 

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If you work hard and get a good job, where you live and how you live should be better.
Hard work doesn't always get you more money though. There are a lot of people in low paid jobs that work very hard.
 

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Hard work doesn't always get you more money though. There are a lot of people in low paid jobs that work very hard.

I was thinking more in terms of GCSE and A Level qualifications.
 

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I hope this doesn't degenerate into a politics (read mug-slinging) thread :(

I would like to think it's based on "value added" - what you end with minus what you started with. It also depends where in the world you were born, I wouldn't fully agree with Baden-Powell and that being born British is to win the first prize in life but he had a point
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They don't have as much value though without experience.

Seconded. All employers seem to want is experience creating the classic catch 22 situation
 

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They don't have as much value though without experience.

I remember talking about this in another thread, and I agreed with you (I think it was you) that expierence was the main problem facing those looking for first time employment.
 

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I remember talking about this in another thread, and I agreed with you (I think it was you) that expierence was the main problem facing those looking for first time employment.
Yes, it's not just graduates that have this issue though. The school leaving age will soon be raised to 18 though there will be no 16 year olds stuck without experience.
 

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Yes, it's not just graduates that have this issue though. The school leaving age will soon be raised to 18 though there will be no 16 year olds stuck without experience.

I thought it already was eighteen? Didn't they introduce this in 2008?
 

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Yes, you're right, but it was delayed. Those who did their GCSEs last year (i.e. 2010) are the last year that could leave at 16, I think.

I think you can still leave if you are going to get training for a job or an apprenticeship.
 

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Until you get to Degree level (when you really have to show a strong degree of specialist knowledge and/or ability), qualifications are a waste of time for the most part. The best are not necessarily the best at exams, or the best at coursework, and will be let down by that, and that's before you consider the constant changes and double standards in existance.

To give an example I only had a B for GCSE Maths, yet if not for coursework (which should never have existed in my opinion in Maths) I would have had an A*. On the other hand, my brother managed an A because of the Coursework lifting him. My school were not exactly keen on me (alluded to elsewhere), whereas there was never any prejudice against him. And even more to the point is that the required standard for an A jumped from just 55% in his year - and 50% the year afterwards! - to 80% in my year (which was stronger as a whole). So based on all of this, who is the better at maths? Without meaning to sound too big-headed, the answer is me, and by several country miles.

So qualifications are pointless. And those who are dependant on them to "promote" themselves and "belittle" others - like my brother - need to have a good look at themselves and stop relying on them. I would like to think that he has learned that now...

For the record, I come from an extremely poor family, to the point that I would probably be considered poor even if I lived in Brixton. I get no financial support from my parents at all, and am having to apply for help from my Uni (I'm submitting my form tomorrow) - for the third time in barely one year.
 

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Until you get to Degree level (when you really have to show a strong degree of specialist knowledge and/or ability), qualifications are a waste of time for the most part. The best are not necessarily the best at exams, or the best at coursework, and will be let down by that, and that's before you consider the constant changes and double standards in existance.

To give an example I only had a B for GCSE Maths, yet if not for coursework (which should never have existed in my opinion in Maths) I would have had an A*. On the other hand, my brother managed an A because of the Coursework lifting him. My school were not exactly keen on me (alluded to elsewhere), whereas there was never any prejudice against him. And even more to the point is that the required standard for an A jumped from just 55% in his year - and 50% the year afterwards! - to 80% in my year (which was stronger as a whole). So based on all of this, who is the better at maths? Without meaning to sound too big-headed, the answer is me, and by several country miles.

So qualifications are pointless. And those who are dependant on them to "promote" themselves and "belittle" others - like my brother - need to have a good look at themselves and stop relying on them. I would like to think that he has learned that now...

For the record, I come from an extremely poor family, to the point that I would probably be considered poor even if I lived in Brixton. I get no financial support from my parents at all, and am having to apply for help from my Uni (I'm submitting my form tomorrow) - for the third time in barely one year.

Doesn't sound like you and your brother are the best of friends! ;)

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with University. I hope everything works out for you. Best of luck from me!

Do you know what the percentage for an A at Maths is now? I agree totally that Maths should not have coursework. I haven't found a school in ages that still does do Maths coursework. A very high majority of subjects have scrapped it altogether, and started to rely more on controlled assesments done in the class with exams at the end of each year.
A much better way to do things in my opinion.
 

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Maths is actually one of the subjects that I believe has gotten harder during the last few years. I was allowed to use a calculator for all of the exams but I don't think you can these days.
 

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Maths is actually one of the subjects that I believe has gotten harder during the last few years. I was allowed to use a calculator for all of the exams but I don't think you can these days.

I believe that they have a calculator paper and a non-calculator paper at GCSE. I was awful at Maths and studied the lower foundation material. I had a paper with a calculator, and one without. I performed pretty bad on both of them and took the C by my fingernails!
 

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I find all this stuff about well, if this exam didn't have this then i'd have done well, frankly, tiresome.
There are people who do fantastically well in exams. There are also people who do fantastically badly.
I got a C in my GCSE German. Yet I don't go around saying, well, if it wasn't for the writing element of the exam then I would have got a B. I got a C, I can live with that. There are people who will have done far worse than me.
If people get an A then that means they're good at the subject. If people get a U, then that means something is preventing them from doing well.
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So based on all of this, who is the better at maths? Without meaning to sound too big-headed, the answer is me, and by several country miles.
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"promote" themselves and "belittle" others - like my brother - need to have a good look at themselves

Hmmm... a slight hypocrisy.
 

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Maths is actually one of the subjects that I believe has gotten harder during the last few years. I was allowed to use a calculator for all of the exams but I don't think you can these days.

I believe that they have a calculator paper and a non-calculator paper at GCSE. I was awful at Maths and studied the lower foundation material, and that's what happened to me.

What HST Power said. Although, if it was me, I would question whether one should really need a calculator to provide the answer for a question relating to Pythagoras' Theorem with an opposite of 15 and an adjacent of 112...

The answer is 113. It isn't hard.

And for Ralph, I know it is tiresome - I find it boring personally - but have stated it to make a point. I will only ever do it with regards to my brother, and then only when he tries to say something along the lines of "I did better in my GCSEs" (which, somewhat pathetically, is rather frequent).

I got an A for GCSE German, and fell only slightly short of an A* (the same applied to French).
 

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What HST Power said. Although, if it was me, I would question whether one should really need a calculator to provide the answer for a question relating to Pythagoras' Theorem with an opposite of 15 and an adjacent of 112...

Now that would surely be in the non-calculator! Even I can work that out without a calculator, and believe me, that's saying something! :lol:
 

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Can you do it just like that [clicks fingers] though? The way the exam boards have gone, it would most certainly be a calculator question.

Had I been training to become a secondary teacher, and no primary, I would be seriously hoping to enforce this, but alas, it's not going to happen. And when I marked some practice KS2 SATs a couple of years ago, I was horrified to discover the extent of calculator usage at age 11! 37x3? Come on! Even if paper is required (I would hope not), there is no way a calculator should be necessary.
 

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Can you do it just like that [clicks fingers] though? The way the exam boards have gone, it would most certainly be a calculator question.

Had I been training to become a secondary teacher, and no primary, I would be seriously hoping to enforce this, but alas, it's not going to happen. And when I marked some practice KS2 SATs a couple of years ago, I was horrified to discover the extent of calculator usage at age 11! 37x3? Come on! Even if paper is required (I would hope not), there is no way a calculator should be necessary.

With my maths skills? Hardly.

I hope you are joking about the 37x3 being a calculator question, but I doubt it!! The way things are going, teachers are going to end up doing the exams for the students.

I think the education system should focus more on languages. In Germany, they learn English every day from Kindergarten.
 

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How cheap is life? Does it depend where you live or how you live?

How do you calculate the cost of someones life?

Would you calculate your own differently?

For me it seems to depend primarily on the prices of beer and rail travel :lol:
 

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How cheap is life? Does it depend where you live or how you live?

How do you calculate the cost of someones life?

Would you calculate your own differently?

DfT value a life at around £1m in human costs and £0.5m in loss of output
 
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It doesn't matter how many GCSEs that a person possesses. They're all worthless because they've been dumbed down to the bare minimum. I've talked to examiners. Calculaters allowed in maths lessons, spelling not important in English "as long as the pupil makes themselves understood". Know what I'm sayin' innit?
 

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For me it seems to depend primarily on the prices of beer and rail travel :lol:

I long for the day where beer and fares are the only financial concerns in life... It doesn't help that the government are trying to fleece the public through these important commodities at every opportunity!
 

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Maths is actually one of the subjects that I believe has gotten harder during the last few years. I was allowed to use a calculator for all of the exams but I don't think you can these days.

English Literature got harder too. My year was the last year in which you were allowed to annotate your anthology. Needless to say everyone wrote down the answer in all but name which is probably why it was banned.

So qualifications are pointless. And those who are dependant on them to "promote" themselves and "belittle" others - like my brother - need to have a good look at themselves and stop relying on them. I would like to think that he has learned that now...

You make two separate points there. Qualifications aren't pointless but belittling others isn't. I do not mean to sound conceited but I was known for being smart at school and so everyone would ask how I got on even though I didn't like saying it because it was likely that I'd done better. It's also a lot of pressure before exam time.
That being said our qualifications are too rigid, there doesn't seem to be enough concentration on other parts of life such as people skills.

For the record, I come from an extremely poor family, to the point that I would probably be considered poor even if I lived in Brixton. I get no financial support from my parents at all, and am having to apply for help from my Uni (I'm submitting my form tomorrow) - for the third time in barely one year.

Good luck!

I find all this stuff about well, if this exam didn't have this then i'd have done well, frankly, tiresome.
There are people who do fantastically well in exams. There are also people who do fantastically badly.
I got a C in my GCSE German. Yet I don't go around saying, well, if it wasn't for the writing element of the exam then I would have got a B. I got a C, I can live with that. There are people who will have done far worse than me.
If people get an A then that means they're good at the subject. If people get a U, then that means something is preventing them from doing well.

Exactly, you get what you get. The only caveat is those who did worse due to circumstances beyond their control such as illness.

What HST Power said. Although, if it was me, I would question whether one should really need a calculator to provide the answer for a question relating to Pythagoras' Theorem with an opposite of 15 and an adjacent of 112...

The answer is 113. It isn't hard.

The question isn't hard but it would take a while (unless you know your Pythagorean Triples) and time is of the essence. In the real world would you do such a calculation by hand with access to calculators largely everywhere?

I got an A for GCSE German, and fell only slightly short of an A* (the same applied to French).

Unlucky, I got A* in both. I am proud of it but I don't show off. As an aside I would like to continue learning German, I just need the motivation.
 

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I long for the day where beer and fares are the only financial concerns in life... It doesn't help that the government are trying to fleece the public through these important commodities at every opportunity!

I admit, curry is also a fairly important concern, but fortunately the price seems to have been quite stable in recent years :D
 

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I admit, curry is also a fairly important concern, but fortunately the price seems to have been quite stable in recent years :D

You can always make your own curry if eating at home, I had a chicken tikka which was 3 servings for a fiver. :idea:

I'm more concerned about the price of my bottles of Jack Daniel's. It was £90 in November before the VAT rise
 
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