FGW Trailer Standard Composite Mk3 (TSK)

[Bastiaan]

Hi,

The rolling stock list on www.abrail.co.uk says Mk3s 42173 and 42174 are "TSKs". According to the list of vehicle codes this means "Trailer Standard Composite".

Does anyone know what kind of coach this is? Is it different than a normal TS or a TSD? I can't find any pictures of it.

Other question: there was a website rollingstock.fotopic.net that had loads of pictures of nearly every loco hauled vehicle in the UK, but we all know what happened to Fotopic. Does anyone know who was the owner of this website and how I can get in contact with him?

If anyone can help me, many thanks!

Regards,

Bastiaan

 

[ainsworth74]

The rolling stock list on www.abrail.co.uk says Mk3s 42173 and 42174 are "TSKs". According to the list of vehicle codes this means "Trailer Standard Composite".

K means corridor as far as I'm aware (and kitchen when after R), C is used to designate a composite coach. Also a "Trailer Standard Composite" wouldn't make sense as Composite means a vehicle which is made up of more than one class of accommodation so you wouldn't put "Standard" in the designation it would just be TC for "Trailer Composite".

 

[Bastiaan]

I came to that conclusion as well, because there are no composite Mk3s, apart from the Trailer Composite Catering (TCC) vehicles operated by XC.
So if "composite" is the wrong term, what kind of coach could a TSK be?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

It could just be a typo in the list?

 

[ainsworth74]

It has to be a typo surely. The meaning of TSK as far as I can tell is "Trailer Standard Corridor" and seeing as all Mk3s were built with corridors that designation seems pointless (and indeed I've never seen Mk3s refereed to as such). Looking at my keyboard O is quite close to K so its possible they meant to put TSO.

 

[90019]

It has to be a typo surely. The meaning of TSK as far as I can tell is "Trailer Standard Corridor" and seeing as all Mk3s were built with corridors that designation seems pointless (and indeed I've never seen Mk3s refereed to as such).

Corridor in this sense refers to having a corridor and compartments, as opposed to an open coach, which is what the HST trailers are.

 

[Bastiaan]

Theres becoming more clear now I think I can assume a FGW Mk3 TSK doesn't exist, so vehicles 42173 and 42174 could only be TSs or TSDs but I don't know which of them.

 

[142]

is it not something to do with the TVs built into the seats? I will keep a look out for them!

 

[rail-britain]

is it not something to do with the TVs built into the seats? I will keep a look out for them!

No, these are just listed as an upgrade

What are the numbers and designation of the two recently specially modified sample TS coaches with the Guard area in the middle?
I saw some photos recently, but like all things I suspect they were on fotopic

 

[Bastiaan]

What are the numbers and designation of the two recently specially modified sample TS coaches with the Guard area in the middle?
I saw some photos recently, but like all things I suspect they were on fotopic

Hmm, interesting! If there's a guard area in the middle of the vehicle there should be a corridor to go from one passenger area to the other. That would explain the designation TSK as Trailer Standard Corridor, I think.
But that depends on the question if these two coaches are indeed 42173 and 42174...
It's such a shame Fotopic isn't available anymore.

 

[rail-britain]

I think the designation was more to differentiate from the existing TGS
However there is no corridor as such
The internal layout was almost identical to that of the Class 390 TPS / PTS vehicle, with more a Managers Office than a Guards Area

It's also a shame the 125 Group don't provide much information on the trailers, there is nothing about these conversions either

 

[Bastiaan]

What is the base for this type of coach? A TS or a TSD? Is it externally different?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
I got a clear answer from Tony Booth, owner of AbRail. 42173 and 42174 should be TSDs, so indeed it's just a typo.

Makes me still wondering about those two special coaches with a train managers office in the middle

 

[Helvellyn]

TSK still seems an odd designation if it's a vehicle with a Train Managers office in it. When TGS 44084 was converted by InterCity to have a Senior Conductors office and disabled loo it became 45084 and was designated a TCSD - Trailer Conductor Standard Disabled. It was positioned next to the catering vehicle, along with prototype refurbished TF 41178 in the set.

 

[rail-britain]

TGS 44084 was converted by InterCity to have a Senior Conductors office and disabled loo it became 45084 and was designated a TCSD - Trailer Conductor Standard Disabled. It was positioned next to the catering vehicle

That's the one, had I been able to find the photo again that would have clarified if the scheme had been rolled out again under FGW
I know it was originally converted under InterCity, resulting in the unusual use of "C" in the designation (which caused confusion last time)