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ASLEF TfW and ScotRail Offer

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snookertam said:
This isn’t a huge surprise. Amazed that ASLEF recommended the deal. Not necessarily anything wrong with the deal, but the idea of train drivers just accepting the first deal offered was always fanciful.
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But we did last year and that was accepted with a much greater majority.
 
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snookertam said:
This isn’t a huge surprise. Amazed that ASLEF recommended the deal. Not necessarily anything wrong with the deal, but the idea of train drivers just accepting the first deal offered was always fanciful.
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But it wasn't the "first" offer made though. The company council knocked back the first 3 offers in the negotiations before the offer just rejected was sent to the EC with a recommendation to accept and put out to a vote.

I suspect a good number of the almost 300 that didn't vote expected it to sail through so couldn't be bothered due to not having any negative feelings on the deal.

What is certain though, is that the company aren't going to come back with anything much higher % wise without detrimental changes to conditions.
 
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Improved pay offer made to ASLEF by ScotRail this afternoon. Offer will be recommended to the membership for acceptance.

Increase in % offered and also, surprisingly, additional improvements to conditions.
 
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TfW still ongoing as far as I'm aware. Hard to work out which way it will swing, some depots are in favour with others dead against it.
 
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JoeEcco said:
What does the deal mean in regards to T&C’s?
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Massive changes to their conditions. Some are okay, but if it was put on the table up here in Scotland it wouldn't get through. I'd certainly not vote for it.
 
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JoeEcco said:
What does the deal mean in regards to T&C’s?
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Highlights:

Sundays inside the working week
Removal of booking off allowance
Diagram alterations for breaks, movement, length (10.5 hours max when in connection with planned engineering work)
2 hour movement when spare to cover turns
Driver Managers to drive trains when all other options exhausted
Driver Instructors to carry out both route and traction passouts
Technology to be introduced (tablets) to cover notices, training, booking on, safety notices etc
Annual Leave year moved April to March
"Competent individuals" to carry out unit preps
Drivers when spare can cover other tasks for which full training will be given
Drivers removed from booked turn when necessary to cover other turns (protection for times and turn length)
Route learning norms to be reviewed
Trainee Driver min handling hours reduced from 265 to 225
Minimum 6 month notice period introduced regardless of length of service
Increase to the number of anti-social turns on future TT changes without CC agreement (keeping to set parameters)
DCO operation (Driver open, Driver close doors (after 1-2 on bell from guard))on the Core Valley Metro routes (class 756 or 398)
 
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Silverlinky said:
Highlights:

Sundays inside the working week
Removal of booking off allowance
Diagram alterations for breaks, movement, length (10.5 hours max when in connection with planned engineering work)
2 hour movement when spare to cover turns
Driver Managers to drive trains when all other options exhausted
Driver Instructors to carry out both route and traction passouts
Technology to be introduced (tablets) to cover notices, training, booking on, safety notices etc
Annual Leave year moved April to March
"Competent individuals" to carry out unit preps
Drivers when spare can cover other tasks for which full training will be given
Drivers removed from booked turn when necessary to cover other turns (protection for times and turn length)
Route learning norms to be reviewed
Trainee Driver min handling hours reduced from 265 to 225
Minimum 6 month notice period introduced regardless of length of service
Increase to the number of anti-social turns on future TT changes without CC agreement (keeping to set parameters)
DCO operation (Driver open, Driver close doors (after 1-2 on bell from guard))on the Core Valley Metro routes (class 756 or 398)
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Thank you.
 
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Silverlinky said:
Highlights:

Sundays inside the working week
Removal of booking off allowance
Diagram alterations for breaks, movement, length (10.5 hours max when in connection with planned engineering work)
2 hour movement when spare to cover turns
Driver Managers to drive trains when all other options exhausted
Driver Instructors to carry out both route and traction passouts
Technology to be introduced (tablets) to cover notices, training, booking on, safety notices etc
Annual Leave year moved April to March
"Competent individuals" to carry out unit preps
Drivers when spare can cover other tasks for which full training will be given
Drivers removed from booked turn when necessary to cover other turns (protection for times and turn length)
Route learning norms to be reviewed
Trainee Driver min handling hours reduced from 265 to 225
Minimum 6 month notice period introduced regardless of length of service
Increase to the number of anti-social turns on future TT changes without CC agreement (keeping to set parameters)
DCO operation (Driver open, Driver close doors (after 1-2 on bell from guard))on the Core Valley Metro routes (class 756 or 398)
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This dco operation is similar to cross countrys dispatch method no?
 
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Silverlinky said:
Highlights:

Sundays inside the working week
Removal of booking off allowance
Diagram alterations for breaks, movement, length (10.5 hours max when in connection with planned engineering work)
2 hour movement when spare to cover turns
Driver Managers to drive trains when all other options exhausted
Driver Instructors to carry out both route and traction passouts
Technology to be introduced (tablets) to cover notices, training, booking on, safety notices etc
Annual Leave year moved April to March
"Competent individuals" to carry out unit preps
Drivers when spare can cover other tasks for which full training will be given
Drivers removed from booked turn when necessary to cover other turns (protection for times and turn length)
Route learning norms to be reviewed
Trainee Driver min handling hours reduced from 265 to 225
Minimum 6 month notice period introduced regardless of length of service
Increase to the number of anti-social turns on future TT changes without CC agreement (keeping to set parameters)
DCO operation (Driver open, Driver close doors (after 1-2 on bell from guard))on the Core Valley Metro routes (class 756 or 398)
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That was the original offer that ASLEF rejected out of hand without bothering to put it to the drivers first. A lot of the T&C changes mentioned above have been removed in the offer that's currently being voted on.

Boski said:
This dco operation is similar to cross countrys dispatch method no?
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Similar, but it'll be the driver carrying out the final PTI checks and choosing when to close the doors. It's more akin to the Merseyrail agreement rather than XC.
 
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craigybagel said:
That was the original offer that ASLEF rejected out of hand without bothering to put it to the drivers first. A lot of the T&C changes mentioned above have been removed in the offer that's currently being voted on.


Similar, but it'll be the driver carrying out the final PTI checks and choosing when to close the doors. It's more akin to the Merseyrail agreement rather than XC.
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So what exactly is the guard giving the bells for?
 
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What was the improved % increase in pay ?

And what is the annual leave entitlement for Sctorail?

Thanks.
 
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Krokodil said:
I thought the whole idea was to reduce dwell times. Ten bells dispatch is slow.
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It's 3 bells and not for dispatch. 1-2 by OBS to say they are on the train and staying on the train. The 1-2 is their so that the train does not depart with the OBS performing passenger assistance such as thetching a ramp or helping someone off. Driver release, closes and does the safety check I.e. Full despatch with the trains full sweet of cameras and in cab screens.
 
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So 1-2 in this case is the equivalent of a Merseyrail guard tapping their card?
 
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craigybagel said:
That was the original offer that ASLEF rejected out of hand without bothering to put it to the drivers first. A lot of the T&C changes mentioned above have been removed in the offer that's currently being voted on.


Similar, but it'll be the driver carrying out the final PTI checks and choosing when to close the doors. It's more akin to the Merseyrail agreement rather than XC.
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Very interesting on the revised offer details
 
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winks said:
What was the improved % increase in pay ?

And what is the annual leave entitlement for Sctorail?

Thanks.
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*6% overall on current salary - 5% backdated to 1st April 23 and 1% from 1st October 23, which takes basic salary to £58,579 (Sundays outside)
*Additional annual day (lieu day)
*RDW payment increase to £500

Drivers currently get 5 weeks A/L split into 2 x 2 week blocks and 1 x 1 week block plus 6 annual days.
 
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richfoz84 said:
What does “removal of booking off allowance” mean?
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Silverlinky said:
No walking time back to the booking on point? Booked off as soon as your train arrives at its destination, basically booked off on the platform?
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That's basically it. It's worth 5 minutes per diagram.
Krokodil said:
So 1-2 in this case is the equivalent of a Merseyrail guard tapping their card?
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Yup. Although I understand that unlike on Merseyrail it won't be used at every station - certain locations (I think the Cardiff city centre stations) will be the normal DGO dispatch.
 
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