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Nicola Sturgeon to resign as First Minister of Scotland, Humza Yousaf elected as new First Minister.

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Turns out leading a political party in the 2019 General Election was a cursed thing to do:


The class of 2019 did not fare well.

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Image of party leaders in 2019 General Election after exit poll announced.

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Now released from custody without charge:


BREAKING: Nicola Sturgeon released from police custody without charge​

Police have confirmed Nicola Sturgeon has been released.
A statement read: "A 52-year-old woman who was arrested earlier today as a suspect in connection with the ongoing investigation into the funding and finances of the Scottish National Party, has been released without charge pending further investigation.
"The woman was questioned by Police Scotland detectives after she was arrested at 10.09am. She was released from custody at 17:42.
"A report will be sent to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service.
"The matter remains active for the purposes of the Contempt of Court Act 1981 and the public are therefore advised to exercise caution if discussing it on social media. As the investigation is ongoing we are unable to comment further."
 
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The latest poll indicates that Labour could have more MPs in Scotland than the SNP after the next General Election.


LONDON, June 17 (Reuters) - The opposition Labour Party will win more seats than the Scottish National Party in Scotland in the next general election according to a poll in the Sunday Times, boosting its chances of winning an outright majority across Britain.

According to the Panelbase poll for The Sunday Times, the SNP would win just 21 of Scotland's seats in the British parliament, losing more than half of their current 45, while Labour would win 26, up from one now.
 

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The latest poll indicates that Labour could have more MPs in Scotland than the SNP after the next General Election.


The same poll has the Conservatives in Scotland on 7 seats, which is, er, one more than they currently have.
 

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Deputy SNP leader in Westminster Mhairi Black is stepping down at the next election, perhaps another sign the SNP don't think they'll be doing well at the next election:


SNP MP Mhairi Black is stepping down at the next general election.
Ms Black, the party's deputy leader at Westminster, became the youngest MP in more than 300 years when she was elected in 2015.
She is the sixth SNP MP to announce they will not contest the next election, which is expected to be held next year.
In a statement, Ms Black described Westminster as a "outdated, sexist and toxic" working environment.
The Paisley and Renfrewshire South MP cited safety concerns, social media abuse and unsociable hours as she explained her decision.

"I have also made clear that I have no desire to have a long career in elected politics, and as we approach the next general election, I will have been elected for almost a decade," Ms Black said.
"I have dedicated a third of my life so far to Westminster - a truly unhealthy working environment."
She added: "Since 2015, the lives of my loved ones have been turned upside down and inside out.
"Between media attention, social media abuse, threats, constant travel, and the murders of two MPs, my loved ones have been in a constant state of anxiety for my health and safety."
Ms Black, who married her partner Katie in June 2022, also said she wanted to spend more time with loved ones.
She said: "I will of course continue to represent my constituency to the best of my abilities, and I look forward to continuing to campaign for an independent Scotland and for the SNP at the general election, but I will do so as a campaigner rather than a candidate."
 

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Deputy SNP leader in Westminster Mhairi Black is stepping down at the next election, perhaps another sign the SNP don't think they'll be doing well at the next election:


Yes, and that article from the BBC says that Ms Black is the sixth SNP MP who has said they will not stand at the next election.

I also don't believe for one minute the reasons she has given for wanting to quit.

There are a number of similarities between the position of the SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in the UK as a whole.

In a statement Ms Black, 28, described Westminster as an "outdated, sexist and toxic" working environment.
The Paisley and Renfrewshire South MP cited safety concerns, social media abuse and unsociable hours as she explained her decision.
 

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Yes, and that article from the BBC says that Ms Black is the sixth SNP MP who has said they will not stand at the next election.

I also don't believe for one minute the reasons she has given for wanting to quit.

There are a number of similarities between the position of the SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in the UK as a whole.
In a way this is a feedback loop: incumbent MPs tend to have an advantage, even if the wider party doesn't poll well, providing they do well as a local MP. But when an MP stands down that advantage disappears, so first the incumbent party loses support due to national issues, which prompts certain MPs to stand down, then as that local MP advantage goes, further support is lost in affected constituencies. There is an expectation that the Green party will lose Brighton Pavilion due to Lucas standing down as another example; the council flipped to Labour recently as well.
 

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Deputy SNP leader in Westminster Mhairi Black is stepping down at the next election, perhaps another sign the SNP don't think they'll be doing well at the next election
Well if she goes for the Scottish parliament instead i think that will be a sure sign she wants to be a future SNP leader.
 

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I think Black probably stood a good chance of winning as a recognisable name too. I know she is chalk and cheese to some people, but I think she was popular locally.

That said, Starmer I think is too beige and is trying to be all things to all people in England which won't appeal in Scotland so I can't see a big SNP to Labour switch. I still think deep down those who want independence will still vote SNP no matter what.
 

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I think Black probably stood a good chance of winning as a recognisable name too. I know she is chalk and cheese to some people, but I think she was popular locally
A good and popular constituency MP going by what I'm told around here. Shame she's not my MP tbh, I'd have happily voted for her. She is right about the Commons, though I also suspect the high possibility of an SNP drubbing at the next GE may have made her decision easier.
 

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Well if she goes for the Scottish parliament instead i think that will be a sure sign she wants to be a future SNP leader.
I'm inclined to believe the reasons she has given for quitting Westminster, but if she does have any ambitions to be SNP leader, she isn't going to achieve them by being a commons MP.

I always felt a bit 'meh' about the last lot of leadership candidates and I think Mhairi Black would make a better leader. I can't see Yousaf as anything other than an interim leader.
 

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A lot of the SNP MP's elected at the 2015 General Election realistically probably never expected to win as that was the great SNP Surge where they won all bar about three of the seats.

Perhaps the unexpected ascension to prominence is not all it's cracked up to be ?
 

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A good and popular constituency MP going by what I'm told around here. Shame she's not my MP tbh, I'd have happily voted for her. She is right about the Commons, though I also suspect the high possibility of an SNP drubbing at the next GE may have made her decision easier.
She is my local MP, and I can confirm that even in my distinctly non-nationalist leaning part of Johnstone, she's thought of quite well.
 

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I can't see Yousaf as anything other than an interim leader.
To be fair there's more than one way to be an interim leader, and so far Yousaf has at least navigated past the Admiral Donitz and Liz Truss schools of interim. He might yet reach Eden-grade
 

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MB was pretty clear, from what I saw.

A toxic work environment in Westminster.

The SNP at Westminster certainly seems like a pretty toxic group. Many controversies over the years, the latest being Angus MacNeil and Brendan O’Hara. It can’t be a fun environment to be in when your colleagues are reduced to threatening each other.
 

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The SNP at Westminster certainly seems like a pretty toxic group. Many controversies over the years, the latest being Angus MacNeil and Brendan O’Hara. It can’t be a fun environment to be in when your colleagues are reduced to threatening each other.
Sadly, this seems to be a Westminster problem that goes much wider than the SNP. But then why would any same, capable person go into 21st Century politics?
 
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The SNP at Westminster certainly seems like a pretty toxic group. Many controversies over the years, the latest being Angus MacNeil and Brendan O’Hara. It can’t be a fun environment to be in when your colleagues are reduced to threatening each other.

Yet Margaret Ferrier seems determined to hold on despite all the opprobrium hurled at her, albeit now as an Independent and facing a recall petition.
 

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The independence brigade have published their Scottish citizenship and passport plan. (Link is to a BBC page outlining the proposals.)

"Speaking at [the] launch event in Edinburgh attended by "New Scots" including Ukrainian and Syrian refugees, Mr Yousaf said a move to a more "inclusive" Irish-style citizenship system would be beneficial morally and economically."
 
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So let me get this straight... Humza Yousaf is declaring the Settle & Carlisle to be a New Scot(Rail) line?
 

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Given that Scotland is not actually independent, and not likely to be come so any time soon, a complete and utter waste of time, and taxpayer's money.

When it comes to Scotland and wasting money, the chip leader in that game is by far and away Whitehall. Its so good at that, it also wastes inordinate amounts of English and Welsh taxpayer funds, too!

Governments spending money on what they were elected to spend money on, is, although uncomfortable to some, the way democracy is intended to function.

On the proposals, look fairly rational. One parent, born in state, or a process of naturalisation as the methods of getting citizenship is consistent with what other states do. Of all the releases in the series, this is easily the most boring of the bunch.
 

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No it isn't! It's a link to the railforums thread about the Settle and Carlisle line! :D
Which to be fair is a very nice line. :)
So let me get this straight... Humza Yousaf is declaring the Settle & Carlisle to be a New Scot(Rail) line?
I'm sorry about that! I don't know why but whatever I try and post a link, it always changes to that thread - it's very annoying! Even if I edit it now, it still goes back as soon as I click 'save'.

I'll try again: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66312190

(Link to, hopefully, the same page!)

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I've edited the original and it seems to have worked.
 

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He wants to do this to halt the decline in Scotland‘s working age population. Maybe there’s a load of them hiding in England. Wonder why that is…
 

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Governments spending money on what they were elected to spend money on, is, although uncomfortable to some, the way democracy is intended to function.

The Scottish Government was elected to govern Scotland! Which they are not doing particularly well. If the SNP want to waste their own money and staff time on planning for a non-existent independence, that is up to them, however given their constant whining about Scotland being short-changed by Westminster using taxpayer's hard-earned money for this (a fraction of which is resentfully mine) is scandalous. And, with the state of Scotland's health service, education, transport, drug deaths et al, one would think the First Minister had more important things to spend his time and energy on. Or perhaps those very failings are the reason he would rather direct focus onto and prattle about independence.
 

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He wants to do this to halt the decline in Scotland‘s working age population. Maybe there’s a load of them hiding in England. Wonder why that is…

Interesting point. In the Highlands there's something of a brain drain to the South East of England especially. Lack of opportunities here an obvious factor. Just like in England, a number of those in their 50s have decided they've had enough of being treated poorly at work. House probably paid off years ago, the other half still at work, probably able to rent out part of their property to Air BnB customers. Quality of life chosen over the daily grind.
 

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The Scottish Government was elected to govern Scotland! Which they are not doing particularly well. If the SNP want to waste their own money and staff time on planning for a non-existent independence, that is up to them, however given their constant whining about Scotland being short-changed by Westminster using taxpayer's hard-earned money for this (a fraction of which is resentfully mine) is scandalous. And, with the state of Scotland's health service, education, transport, drug deaths et al, one would think the First Minister had more important things to spend his time and energy on. Or perhaps those very failings are the reason he would rather direct focus onto and prattle about independence.
I believe that the SNP has funds ring-fenced (possibly in a a caravan) for exactly this kind of policy development
 

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The Scottish Government was elected to govern Scotland! Which they are not doing particularly well. If the SNP want to waste their own money and staff time on planning for a non-existent independence, that is up to them, however given their constant whining about Scotland being short-changed by Westminster using taxpayer's hard-earned money for this (a fraction of which is resentfully mine) is scandalous. And, with the state of Scotland's health service, education, transport, drug deaths et al, one would think the First Minister had more important things to spend his time and energy on. Or perhaps those very failings are the reason he would rather direct focus onto and prattle about independence.

The hyperbole in this masks one thing only, the lack of substantive argument.

When a government is formed in the name of the head of state, after winning a mandate from the electorate, it is accepted that said government enacts said mandate. It is, after all, representative parliamentary democracy, by popular consent.

Further, the supposition that the SG is using anything other than resources raised in Scotland isn't just misplaced, it highlights how little grasp you have of the finances of that state. As above, Unionism really hasn't covered itself in glory in managing the public finances of Scotland, and has failed spectacularly at a UK level.

As if to add insult to injury, you retort a myth so easily debunked, a child could prove its inadequacy in convincing anyone.

The facts are plain.

If we don't want to have the SG pursue an agenda of independence, then all that needs to happen is that parties supporting the Union form the SG.

As it stands, that has not happened in Scotland since 2007 under Holyrood elections.

Labour and Tory have lost every single election since 2007, evidently, the voting public feel Independence is a priority among many others, and trust the SNP to mange the state better than the aforementioned parties.

Whether that persists is up for debate, but we will find out in late 24' or early 25' at WM, and 26' for Holyrood.

As an aside, Scotland is performing rather well. NHS metrics are the best in the uk. Exports are healthy, and Scotland takes down the second largest share of FDI after London. Scotland has issues, drug deaths among them, but its not even the beginning of factually accurate to say its been mismanaged under the SNP. Infrastructure as one subject has had more investment under any single SNP administration, than the Labour-Lid dems run of 1999-2007 combined. Nearly 100k social houses have been built since 2007. Its a long list of achievement, like it or not,

But hey, why discuss fact when there is mud to be slung? Who knows, eventually some of it might stick...
 
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