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De treinen tussen Edinburgh en Inverness hebben een zeer wisselend stoppatroon op de route tussen Perth en Inverness. Slechts een zeer beperkt aantal treinen stopt bij Newtonmore. Een stop duurt maar twee minuten, dus dat scheelt niet veel in de totale reistijd. Dus waarom stoppen er zo weinig treinen in Newtonmore? Heeft dit te maken met het verwachte aantal passagiers (dat zullen er niet veel zijn, begrijp ik) of heeft het ook te maken met inpassing in het enkelsporige baanvak of aansluitingen in Inverness?
 
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I have taken the liberty of quoting a translation. I hope you don't mind.

The trains between Edinburgh and Inverness have a very variable stopping pattern on the route between Perth and Inverness. Only a very limited number of trains stop at Newtonmore. A stop only takes two minutes, so that doesn't make much difference in the total travel time. So why do so few trains stop at Newtonmore? Is this related to the expected number of passengers (there won't be many, I understand) or is it also related to the single track section or connections in Inverness?
Limited demand i would imagine. It is only a small place and on a single track stretch of line.

Some discussion here about it being close to Kingussie, and that station generally being favoured.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/the-clansman.213098/page-2#post-4951155
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...dates-discussion.137911/page-370#post-4418637
 
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De treinen tussen Edinburgh en Inverness hebben een zeer wisselend stoppatroon op de route tussen Perth en Inverness. Slechts een zeer beperkt aantal treinen stopt bij Newtonmore. Een stop duurt maar twee minuten, dus dat scheelt niet veel in de totale reistijd. Dus waarom stoppen er zo weinig treinen in Newtonmore? Heeft dit te maken met het verwachte aantal passagiers (dat zullen er niet veel zijn, begrijp ik) of heeft het ook te maken met inpassing in het enkelsporige baanvak of aansluitingen in Inverness?
Hi and welkom/ welcome to the forum.

I don't think anyone has tested the autotranslate facility before - if indeed there is one - and I'm afraid most readers don't read Nederlands :)
 

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I don't think anyone has tested the autotranslate facility before - if indeed there is one - and I'm afraid most readers don't read Nederlands
Text can be copied and pasted into one of many translation tools, and there are some chrome extensions (unfortunately I think they're PC only) that make it even easier.
 

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Historically it was more important.

Going back to 1974 when the first daytime through train from London was made possible by completion of electrification of the West Coast Main Line. This service, called the Clansman made three stops between Perth and Inverness - Pitlochry, Newtonmore and Aviemore.

Kingussie was only added the following year, but despite the closeness of the two stations, Newtonmore remained a call until the Clansman declined in importance.

In 1984, BR began the first InterCity 125 service to Inverness, the Highland Chieftan running to/from London King's Cross via Edinburgh and the East Coast Main Line rather than the traditional West Coast route.

This initially made all calls northbound from Perth but only Aviemore, Kingussie and Pitlochry southbound; in 1985 only those 3 were served both ways.

In 1985, the Clansman was downgraded to run to Birmingham, but in 1986 had a brief revival though no longer served Newtonmore.

Throughout this period, the internal Scottish services called at most if not all stations, if any were omitted it tended to be Dalwhinnie and occasionally Dunkeld & Birnam.

Moving into the Multiple Unit era in 1990/1 with Class 158s, a more frequent service saw most ScotRail services call all stations with many continuing to omit Dalwhinnie, but calling patterns started to vary more by the middle of the decade.

Moving to the privatisation era, some of the smaller stations were served more selectively including Newtonmore.

The introduction of the Turbostars in the Winter 2000 timetable saw a number of cuts to calls at smaller stations; the Edinburgh stoppers tended to alternate Dalwhinnie and Newtonmore, while the first service of the day from Glasgow omitted both.

The present timetable can be traced back to the 1990s, only calling patterns have changed and the Glasgow service augmented since 2011 (from 3 to 5 per weekday).

Since the 2011 changes, Newtonmore in particular has tended to lose out with Carrbridge gaining several extra calls since 2000 and Dalwhinnie no longer being omitted as often.

Newtonmore is now the least served - perhaps it is its proximity to Kingussie or (since 1985) the lack of passing loop which precludes a more frequent offering?

It has certainly lost any perceived importance over the last 50 years.
 

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I have a feeling that at one time, possibly as late as the early 1980s, Newtonmore was where post was transferred to and from buses (?) heading for Fort William. I am not sure if this was in and out of the night trains only or whether some day trains were also involved. (I think my source was an article in the Journal of the Highland Railway Society.)
 

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Hi and welkom/ welcome to the forum.

I don't think anyone has tested the autotranslate facility before - if indeed there is one - and I'm afraid most readers don't read Nederlands :)
I am very very sorry, I translated the Dutch text but unfortunately I pasted the Dutch text. Very stupid. Excuses.

My original English text was:
The trains between Edinburgh and Inverness have a very variable stopping pattern on the route between Perth and Inverness. Only a very limited number of trains stop at Newtonmore. A stop only takes two minutes, so that doesn't make much of a difference in the total travel time. So why do so few trains stop at Newtonmore? Does this have to do with the number of expected passengers (which will not be many, I can understand) or does it also have to do with integration into the single-track section or connections in Inverness?
 

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I recall once needing to travel from somewhere in the Roy Bridge / Tulloch area; I think I got a lift to Newtonmore expecting to be able to get a train South. I was lucky to arrive at just the right time to catch one, but while I browsed the timetable on the platform I realised quite how few such trains there were.

Note that Newtonmore’s importance on the road network also diminished when the A9 was rebuilt on the other side of the valley - does anyone know when that was?
 

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I have a feeling that at one time, possibly as late as the early 1980s, Newtonmore was where post was transferred to and from buses (?) heading for Fort William. I am not sure if this was in and out of the night trains only or whether some day trains were also involved. (I think my source was an article in the Journal of the Highland Railway Society.)
Although Newtonmore is slightly closer to Fort William than Kingussie this activity was carried out at the latter - perhaps better access to the platform for larger road vehicles (?), and yes it continued into at least the early 1980s.

EDIT: Newtonmore could perhaps have been used in an earlier era but certainly through the 1970s it was at Kingussie. At least two fairly large vans met the train (23.20 from Glasgow and slightly earlier from Edinburgh), one being a private contractor who took those newspapers which were printed in Glasgow and Edinburgh, and at least one Post Office van one for the post. This provided an arrival in Fort William around 05.00 well ahead of the first train just after 10.00, meaning a first delivery for the post and newspapers in the shops when they opened. There was no requirement for such a transit in the reverse direction and I am not aware there was any other regular transfer on this axis.

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Further Edit (9 hours later): I have just checked a 1975 WTT on Timetable World and it shows the 23.20 from Queen St had a booked dwell time at Kingussie of seven and a half minutes.
 
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