GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[HamworthyGoods]

The 21:21 1F35 Bristol - Portsmouth has a duplicate Q path 21:21 1F95 Bristol - Portsmouth (via Eastleigh)

This is nothing new it has existed as a Q path for years in the system.

 

[Siemens Staines]

This had been changed to 165105, however the whole move has been put on ice for a week.

As ever, watch this space……

It looks like the transfer of 165105 from Reading to Bristol is taking place today

Realtime Trains | 5T74 1043 Reading Traincare Depot to Bristol Temple Meads | 23/05/2023

Real-time train running information for 5T74 1043 departure from Reading Traincare Depot to Bristol Temple Meads on 23/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Benjwri]

GWR seem to have done better on the short forming situation with the new timetable, which is promising. Only one short form this afternoon, and less than what was normal yesterday too.

 

[Snow1964]

Looks like the plan to split 3car 158s to 2car to avoid 2car Portsmouth-Cardiff trains has failed to avoid 2car trains already.

Appears 1F12 09:23 and 1F28 17:23 from PMH, 1F19 13:30 from CDF, and 1F03 05:51 Bristol-PMH are all a 2car 158

The 1F05 06:28 from Cardiff is a 5car 158 formation today, operating a 3car and 4car instead of a 2car and 5car is clearly not the GWR way.

 

[JonathanH]

Reservations available from Frome (can you really book a seat on a commuter train).

'Counted place' reservations will be in place, not actual seat reservations.

There are many places where such reservations are possible on 'commuter trains'. This approach can sometimes be used to block the train being used as a connection into longer distance services, thereby requiring the passenger to buy a separate ticket for the 'commuter service'.

 

[Clarence Yard]

Looks like the plan to split 3car 158s to 2car to avoid 2car Portsmouth-Cardiff trains has failed to avoid 2car trains already.

Appears 1F12 09:23 and 1F28 17:23 from PMH, 1F19 13:30 from CDF, and 1F03 05:51 Bristol-PMH are all a 2car 158

The 1F05 06:28 from Cardiff is a 5car 158 formation today, operating a 3car and 4car instead of a 2car and 5car is clearly not the GWR way.

58 units available for 58 diagrams today but some are displaced so there are a few initial short forms.

 

[pompeyfan]

Looks like the plan to split 3car 158s to 2car to avoid 2car Portsmouth-Cardiff trains has failed to avoid 2car trains already.

Appears 1F12 09:23 and 1F28 17:23 from PMH, 1F19 13:30 from CDF, and 1F03 05:51 Bristol-PMH are all a 2car 158

The 1F05 06:28 from Cardiff is a 5car 158 formation today, operating a 3car and 4car instead of a 2car and 5car is clearly not the GWR way.

Where does 1F12 and 1F05 diagrams start from? If it’s not the same place how do you expect a 3 and 4 to be put together rather than a 2 and a 5? As mentioned it may have been easier operationally to short form the 2 car, knowing it would be made up at Bristol or Westbury?

 

[Snow1964]

Where does 1F12 and 1F05 diagrams start from? If it’s not the same place how do you expect a 3 and 4 to be put together rather than a 2 and a 5? As mentioned it may have been easier operationally to short form the 2 car, knowing it would be made up at Bristol or Westbury?

That was my point, there has been no attempt to add a unit, or switch one around during the day, so the 2car unit is expected to do Portsmouth -Cardiff twice today, with inevitable overcrowding

 

[Clarence Yard]

No, it isn’t like that. “No attempt” is way over the top.

Sometime during the day, when the workings allow, the relevant circuit will be augmented. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out that it has already happened.

 

[REVUpminster]

166203/205/210/212/220. 5 working Devon Metro today, must be a record. Been a good week although a couple of 2 car 165s have worked a couple of diagrams earlier in week.

 

[RPI]

166203/205/210/212/220. 5 working Devon Metro today, must be a record. Been a good week although a couple of 2 car 165s have worked a couple of diagrams earlier in week.

The 2 car 165's are far better than a 2 car 150 though, every 166 I've had this week has had at least partial air conditioning too!

 

[pompeyfan]

Completely hypothetically speaking, but if some form of SDO were fitted, would it be worth it for Devon metro? Or does infrastructure at passing loops also constrain length of trains? I get the impression that 4 car 165s could work, but being 92m rather than just over 80m, the extra 12m could cause issues.

 

[RPI]

Completely hypothetically speaking, but if some form of SDO were fitted, would it be worth it for Devon metro? Or does infrastructure at passing loops also constrain length of trains? I get the impression that 4 car 165s could work, but being 92m rather than just over 80m, the extra 12m could cause issues.

The benefit would be for 4 car 165's, they'd fit at Topsham, Crediton and Eggesford loops.

The only platforms that they won't fit are Eggesford, St James Park and Lympstone Commando, and obviously Newton St Cyres, but that is local door operation anyway.

 

[Class172]

The benefit would be for 4 car 165's, they'd fit at Topsham, Crediton and Eggesford loops.

The only platforms that they won't fit are Eggesford, St James Park and Lympstone Commando, and obviously Newton St Cyres, but that is local door operation anyway.

I must say I was slightly perplexed when they extended the platforms at St James Park to accommodate 4x 20m vehicles, but not 4x 23m ones. Was there a structural reason for this or was it just a case of budget constraints I wonder?

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

I must say I was slightly perplexed when they extended the platforms at St James Park to accommodate 4x 20m vehicles, but not 4x 23m ones. Was there a structural reason for this or was it just a case of budget constraints I wonder?

At the time there were no plans for anything other than 4-car 150 or 3-car 158 to work the Devon Metro area. The Turbo fleet was planned as a purely SPM based operation working the radial lines into Bristol and in particular the Cardiff-Portsmouth / Gloucester-Westbury axis. These things changed when the GWEP programme was cut back.

 

[Ashley Hill]

The only platforms that they won't fit are Eggesford, St James Park and Lympstone Commando, and obviously Newton St Cyres, but that is local door operation anyway

4 car 165s must also trigger local door operation at Exton too as this occurs with a 150/158 combo.

 

[REVUpminster]

At the time there were no plans for anything other than 4-car 150 or 3-car 158 to work the Devon Metro area. The Turbo fleet was planned as a purely SPM based operation working the radial lines into Bristol and in particular the Cardiff-Portsmouth / Gloucester-Westbury axis. These things changed when the GWEP programme was cut back.

I would disagree with that as it was all the 3 car 165s would be at Exeter allowing the 150s to be scrapped that now have to soldier on because the 769s were scrapped. Exeter depot new shed was designed for 3 car trains with a lifting road for bogie exchange.

 

[cactustwirly]

I would disagree with that as it was all the 3 car 165s would be at Exeter allowing the 150s to be scrapped that now have to soldier on because the 769s were scrapped. Exeter depot new shed was designed for 3 car trains with a lifting road for bogie exchange.
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That was never the plan, the extra turbos were for Metro West, the plan was to keep the 150s at Exeter

 

[Clarence Yard]

Actually it was the plan when the 769 scheme was authorised by the DfT. Originally 10 of the 150/2 fleet was to go north with the 2 x 150/0, leaving 10 x 150/2 units for the Cornish branches (and possibly Okehampton). The Devon metro was going to be all 3 car Turbo.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Actually it was the plan when the 769 scheme was authorised by the DfT. Originally 10 of the 150/2 fleet was to go north with the 2 x 150/0, leaving 10 x 150/2 units for the Cornish branches (and possibly Okehampton). The Devon metro was going to be all 3 car Turbo.

Thanks for clarifying Clarence, I wasn’t aware of that. Must admit, it feels like a book could be written about all the different combinations of schemes over the years. History will record what actually happened of course.

 

[Train Boy]

165107 appears to be transferring from East to West this morning: 3C88 0715 Reading Traincare Depot to Swindon

Currently scheduled to work:
2O88 0845 Swindon to Weymouth 1108
2V94 1735 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads 2011
2E80 2108 Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester 2157

 

[HamworthyGoods]

165107 appears to be transferring from East to West this morning: 3C88 0715 Reading Traincare Depot to Swindon

Currently scheduled to work:
2O88 0845 Swindon to Weymouth 1108
2V94 1735 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads 2011
2E80 2108 Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester 2157

Booked to happen each weekend over the summer a LTV unit covering Seasonal Weymouths, booked to return to Reading from Westbury on Sunday night.

 

[JN114]

165107 appears to be transferring from East to West this morning: 3C88 0715 Reading Traincare Depot to Swindon

Currently scheduled to work:
2O88 0845 Swindon to Weymouth 1108
2V94 1735 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads 2011
2E80 2108 Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester 2157

Same as last summer, an East Turbo works Weymouths on weekends before coming back to Reading following day

 

[Train Boy]

Cheers for the info.

 

[Jim]

Looks like the plan to split 3car 158s to 2car to avoid 2car Portsmouth-Cardiff trains has failed to avoid 2car trains already.

Appears 1F12 09:23 and 1F28 17:23 from PMH, 1F19 13:30 from CDF, and 1F03 05:51 Bristol-PMH are all a 2car 158

The 1F05 06:28 from Cardiff is a 5car 158 formation today, operating a 3car and 4car instead of a 2car and 5car is clearly not the GWR way.

158769 on the 5 car you mention, failed at 1355 at Bristol, so couldn't attach to 1F19 at Bristol in the way that would seem "sensible" .

Would have all been irrelevant anyway as there was a lineside fire at 1400 in the Oldfield Park area so 1F19 turned back for 1F18 restarting at Bristol TM (2 car)

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Same as last summer, an East Turbo works Weymouths on weekends before coming back to Reading following day

Well a 3 car unit goes back to Reading the following day

 

[Apedlar12]

It looks like the transfer of 165105 from Reading to Bristol is taking place today

Realtime Trains | 5T74 1043 Reading Traincare Depot to Bristol Temple Meads | 23/05/2023

Real-time train running information for 5T74 1043 departure from Reading Traincare Depot to Bristol Temple Meads on 23/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Looks as if 165105 returned to Reading earlier today:

Realtime Trains | 5Z72 1055 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Reading Traincare Depot | 30/05/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Z72 1055 departure from St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Reading Traincare Depot on 30/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[FGW_DID]

165105 returned to Reading TCD for an Engine change. 165107 should be the one thats gone West to replace it.

Update: 165108 has gone west instead.

 

[Benjwri]

165107 should be the one thats gone West to replace it.

Doesn’t seem to have, looks to be working the Bedwyn shuttle today. There are some Turbo peak STP schedules around Bristol running multiple days so perhaps just operating a unit down for a few days?

 

[Jrocks]

Now looks to be 165108 as the unit heading west.

 

[FGW_DID]

Doesn’t seem to have, looks to be working the Bedwyn shuttle today. There are some Turbo peak STP schedules around Bristol running multiple days so perhaps just operating a unit down for a few days?

Edited my post just as you posted

165107 was the one planned when I left work this morning but due to disruption this morning, the plan went to rats**t! 165108 was readily available as it had been stopped on depot for an A Exam.