ralphchadkirk
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Pots and Kettles, ralph!
I don't try and stop other people posting... unlike some.
Why? Just because he's disagreed with you?
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strange6
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I'll PM you, mate
I very much doubt you are a driver with what you have just said. Sorry, mate. I just don't believe ya! lol
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Pots and Kettles, ralph!
You can believe what you like my old pal. Started on the trains in may last year. So you can doubt it all you like mate. Have a look on railchat and tell me im not a driver. Someone even said in another thread how you come out woth the strangest things. And what in that posts make you doubt im a driver. Its how it is mate. If your starting at say london victoria and cant see the signal, guess what there is oh a banner repeater!!!
strange6
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You're not even making any sense, mate. Look, no offence, but I really don't believe what you say. That's the last I'm saying on the subject. Report my posts if you don't like them. cheers
Everything iv said is valid. Id be interested to know why you dont believe me. Cos iv said something that you dont like??? No skin off my nose. Maybe one day youll actually become a driver and stop rambling on here with stupid threads and posts like some dreamer. Maybe if you were a driver it would save people wasting there time answering your stupid questions and threads cos you would.know the answer. Id be interested as to how you know.so much about the job if you dont work in the industry. Reading too many books me thinks.
Fair enough guys I was wrong then! As I said I'm not a driver so I will defer to those that actually do it for a living
strange6
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Everything iv said is valid. Id be interested to know why you dont believe me. Cos iv said something that you dont like??? No skin off my nose. Maybe one day youll actually become a driver and stop rambling on here with stupid threads and posts like some dreamer. Maybe if you were a driver it would save people wasting there time answering your stupid questions and threads cos you would.know the answer. Id be interested as to how you know.so much about the job if you dont work in the industry. Reading too many books me thinks.
It does help if train drivers can spell, punctuate and generally communicate in the written word. You show no evidence of being able to do so which is why I doubt you're a driver. In fact, you're supposed to be assessed in this essential life skill before you even make it to the interview. Bye
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Fair enough guys I was wrong then! As I said I'm not a driver so I will defer to those that actually do it for a living
Driver9000 and GB are quite clearly qualified train drivers.
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I'm not actually a driver
. I am ex Network Rail and currently work for GB railfreight as train crew.Yes I know Driver9000 is and I thought GB wasn't (but is still knowledgeable) hence why I deferred to their knowledge. So what's your point?
strange6
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I'm not actually a driver
Well, you're a real railway man then! I'm sorry if I come across to be arrogant and a know it all, but I love the railways and I'm very enthusiastic about them. Sometimes, I get comments thrown at me which I think are not very fair and when I do, I always ask the moderators if I have been out of order in any way! I have asked them again in this case.
strange6
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And believe you me, between you and driver9000, I have learned a lot from what you write. You're both a credit to your industry
Well dont call me a liar. Im not trying to offend you but yes sometimes you do come across as a know it all. I can assure you im a driver which is why i didnt take too well to you trying to correct me on something i know only too well. Anyway enough slanging. Its not what this is for.
MidnightFlyer
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My thoughts entirely, I'm agreeing with you a lot recently, must be something up with me!!!
strange6
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My thoughts entirely, I'm agreeing with you a lot recently, must be something up with me!!!
I'm just so sad people seem to take me the wrong way. Still, we all have our faults don't we?
Keith
There are two points to this statement. Firstly there is the logical inference that a driver can make from the OFF indicator, and secondly there is the actual operating procedures themselves.
Let's start with the sentence "Therefore it would be useless to a driver...as he/she needs to know what aspect it is displaying". Well that's clearly wrong.
Using clear logic one can determine that if the aspect of a signal is one of (G,Y,YY and not R), then the driver can proceed through the next section "as though" the signal were YY, and no faster.
So to say that the OFF indicator is *USELESS TO A DRIVER* is to simply ignore logic, and moreover after listening to some of the posters here - it is also to ignore FACTS.
I don't often post here, but I found the tone of Ralph quite out of place. Firstly he was quick to rubbish the claims of Strange6, but not only that, he did so when he had no actual knowledge of the working procedures in place.
I then found it interesting that Ralph started using this "mixed wires" metaphor. Let us speak the truth between us.
Strange6 made a reasonable conclusion.
Ralph with no actual knowledge or experience of these matters jumps in not once, but twice to tell Strange6 he is wrong.
Fortunately a more knowledgeable poster comes along and puts the record straight.
My whole point is that many people come here out of interest and curiosity, to learn more about the railways. How can it help when people who know "jack-sh*t" about anything start jumping down peoples throats to give their bit of wisdom that turns out to be incorrect ?
Wittgenstein said "what can be said should be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about must be passed over in silence", which was a kind of polite way of saying "if you don't know something then stfu".
strange6
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Wasnt the case atall pal. At the end of the day im always learning and dont claim to know it all. I dont walk around giving it the big i am because im a driver. Im proud of the fact that i am and this is because im lucky but also because iv worked hard at it. If im wrong i will always admit it but i just think that some people on here seem to know alot when they dont actually do the job and then try and correct people that do. Im not saying im better then anyone else in here, not atall but trying to undermine my position is wrong. Yes i was a bit harsh and i apologise if i offended strange or anyone else. I do think that strange was bit of order trying to undermine my skills in punctuation etc especially as im typing from a mobile, he doesnt know me personally and also by looking at posts of his is not the best person to tell people about spelling etc. Anyway. Enough said. Im not gonna say anymore about it so feel free to come back with a backlash if you wish but im not being drawn into the argument anymore. I once again apologise for offending strange6 and anyone else.
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Wrong there are not banner repeaters at Victoria as far as I am aware. And your earlier comment about a driving lisence for train driving, I have been driving 11 years and never had one.
The only place I have seen a bahher repeater at a terminus station is Platform 5 at Marylebone
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This is an incorrect statement, Banner repeaters are positioned when a driver cannot see a signal at a given distance determining the line speed, so if the line speed at a station is 70mph the banner will be positioned out side the station and not on the platform. Banner repeaters are not provided to assist station signal sighting, if the signal cannot be seen generally you will get a co-acting signal such as the like at Coventry on the up. So matey, if you are a mainline driver what company and what depot do you work from and what routes and traction do you sign?
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Thanks Railsigns - not been on that patch for a long time. However as you know banner repeaters are not the correct signage for station dispatch. Just a question these banners at Vic are they paces a long way down the platform, the reason I ask this is that the line speed and platform lengths may be the determining factor on their positioning?
Im not providing info like that on here im afraid. Anyway im not here to prove whether im a driver or not. Upto you whether you believe me or not. Also if you dont have a driving licence for being a train driver then are you not breaking the law?
Its a card that says passed in pts and licenced to drive trains. ####### ####### is employed by ####### and is authorised to drive trains operated by the company.
On the back it says the issue of this licence confirms that the holder has been assessed in accordance with the requirements of. ....toc..... Standards.
Its a card that says passed in pts and licenced to drive trains. ####### ####### is employed by ####### and is authorised to drive trains operated by the company.
On the back it says the issue of this licence confirms that the holder has been assessed in accordance with the requirements of. ....toc..... Standards.
strange6
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Banner repeaters at Victoria:
Railsigns is no train driver but i but you would have to search high and low for somebody within the rail industry who could match his knowledge of signalling! I utterly respect him and his knowledge. Not known our Railsigns to be wrong yet!
Railsigns
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I can't comment on the specifics of the Victoria installation without local knowledge or experience of that area. However, in these sorts of situations, the banner repeater(s) have been provided along the platform where the driver of a short train starting away from the buffer stop end of the platform would be unable to see the platform starting signal from that position. There's no reason why a banner repeater cannot also be used for train dispatch purposes, as long as it's not replaced to 'on' by occupation of the track circuits between it and the signal to which it refers. A banner repeater wouldn't be provided purely for dispatch purposes however; an "Off" indicator would be used instead. There would be no point in putting an "Off" indicator alongside a banner repeater, although you can find them placed back-to-back with one another.
Maybe its company specific but we do not have them where I am as far as I am aware.
strange6
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Apologies accepted and I apologise to you but i had to justify what I had written. Just because you don't do a specific job though, doesn't mean you can't read up on it and acquire some knowledge about it and talk about it. I mean, how many people criticised Capello's tactics in the world cup yet they have never managed a football team in their lives? Does that make it wrong or socially unacceptable? Anyway, enough of this pety rambling. End
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Yep must be. We are not allowed to drive without it. If we forget it or lose it we have to have a temporary one issued.
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Strange, learn when to call it a day yeah. Im not getting into another argument. You can read up on trains all you want its not an issue . Its good your enthusiastic. Like i say, can we call it quits now??
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