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The ones who can only drive in a straight line?We all know the "best" drivers are on the blue buses...
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Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)
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Wouldn't call it straight with the current diversion!
Grumpyscot
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I wonder how much quicker services could be (and the impact on congestion) if they brought back conductors?
Lothianbus703
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When were the closed top V/W/X reg Dennis tridents withdrawn and were all of them euro 2 zf examples?
FlybeDash8Q400
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T and V were ZF, W onwards were Voith. I think they were withdrawn in phases between 2008 and 2013.
alexf380
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I seem to recall a mass exodus of those in 2011 when the last big batch of B9TLs arrived.
The only two active ones remaining are 935 and 936 at East Coast. The tartan seats are long gone but the rest of the interior is as it was when new.
FlybeDash8Q400
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That is correct, the last big outgoing was when the 60 B9TL’s arrived in 2011. 567 and 572 a good while longer than those though which is where my numbers are probably slightly off.
And just to add to the above obviously the tour variants lasted until 2016, and then the two that stayed beyond that which were sold after the first lockdown.
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I know it sounds like a straightforward question but you might need to define 'busiest' more clearly. Is this the route with most occupied seats or the least number of unoccupied seats? Do you count passengers regardless of the distance they travel or weigh in favour of the churn? Is this per full route vehicle averaged across the peak/off-peak/day/week/month/term/season/year or per hour regardless of the frequency? And so on...
Some corridors are certainly busy - you've highlighted Dalry-Gorgie Road for the 3 & 25, also up the Bridges for the 30 and 37. But for each corridor the demand can be split by a variety of service numbers at different frequencies. I imagine the passenger loading on each route number just reflects how effectively the demand is spread across routes with different destinations and through headway timings etc.
As others have mentioned, the single deck 30 is the most conspicuously "busy" service but mainly due to limited capacity on the vehicles. Of course this may not equate to carrying the most passengers.
GusB
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I didn't realise the earlier Tridents had ZF 'boxes; those that I remember from my brief spell living in Edinburgh in 2001/2 definitely had Voith transmissions. I have to admit that, at that point, I was rather out of touch with the newer stuff that was going around. (If it didn't have a big lump in the back I generally wasn't interested!)
overthewater
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What is the plan for the 41?
The obvious answer is that the 41 is being withdrawn.
VioletEclipse
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withdrawing a long-established popular service which provides a lot of links and serves some places without other services as well as a university campus is not something I would expect of Lothian. Not to say they wouldn't do it, but I suspect there's some plans other than just removing it completely, or it could be some kind of mistake.The obvious answer is that the 41 is being withdrawn.
VioletEclipse
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Thanks for sharing. If the 41 is being removed then that still leaves Cramond and Cammo without buses, as well as removing the direct connection between King's Buildings and Bristo Square.
stevenedin
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Looks really interesting
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The 22 could potentially be extended to serve both but that’s for another thread
The 19 seems to be getting extended Eastfield, 22 to Granton, 47 to Cammo, 48 to Misselburgh Grammar School, 10 to Ocean Terminal. 11 to Western Harbour. 49 cut to Royal infirmary. New LCB N18 Edinburgh to Whitburn, 45 to Eastfield only. 2 cut to Hermistom Gait. 4 extended to QMU.
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LothianBusesPh
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This is fantastic news for Musselburgh! They will now have the following Lothian services,
Service 26,
Service 30,
Service 44,
Service 45,
Service 46,
Service 48,
Service 106,
Service 113,
Service 124,
Service 140,
Service 141,
Service X26,
Service X6, (Early Mornings/Night runs from depot.)
Service N26,
Service N30,
Service N106,
Service N113,
Service N124!
Note: This could change with further posts above being edited or posts below, this is just my understanding so far.
Service 26,
Service 30,
Service 44,
Service 45,
Service 46,
Service 48,
Service 106,
Service 113,
Service 124,
Service 140,
Service 141,
Service X26,
Service X6, (Early Mornings/Night runs from depot.)
Service N26,
Service N30,
Service N106,
Service N113,
Service N124!
Note: This could change with further posts above being edited or posts below, this is just my understanding so far.
stevenedin
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They would be better terminating the 44 at either Eastfield or King’s Road if it ran the same route or swap it with the 26 to go along Portobello Road and run through Portobello and Joppa to terminate at Eastfield.
The 30 would be better terminating at Fort Kinnaird and converted to double decker.
From what I can see on VOSA
- 2 changed to start at Hermiston Gait instead of Gyle Centre
- 4 extended to Queen Margaret University
- 10 changed to start at Ocean Terminal instead of Western Harbour
- 11 changed to start at Western Harbour instead of Ocean Terminal
- 15 has a registered variation but has same start / end point as current (Penicuik to Eastfield) which is currently incorrect, shall see if this comes to pass
- 19 extended to Eastfield
- 22 extended to Granton Harbour
- 30 curtailed to Queen Margaret University
- 45 curtailed to Eastfield
- 47 changed to serve Cammo, Crewe Toll
- 48 extended to Musselburgh Grammar School
- 49 curtailed to ERI
- N11 changed start point to Elm Row
- N14 changed West Granton Road to Nicolson Square only
- N22 curtailed Princes St to South Gyle only
- N200 introduced with same route as 200
- N400 introduced same route as current 400
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45 would be curtailed rather than extended, and the same applies with 200 with a new N200 launched. Whether that's more night services or just the existing ones being renumbered?
computerSaysNo
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I wouldn't think Lothian would implement a small service update for the reopening of North Bridge and then very soon afterwards implement a major service change? They usually like doing all the changes at the same time? So I'm not sure what's going on. Has there been actual changes to the origin/destinations on VOSA? As I know previously some of the location descriptions were a bit "generic".
Yes there has. The majority of changes showing under the 'variation' section.
stevenedin
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This will probably coincide with the start of the full tram route becoming operational.
computerSaysNo
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Ahhh, yes that makes much more sense now.
Jordan1296
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Does appear that May will bring some major changes to the network, with every single service having some kind of change.
I've just noticed the 106 also - now terminating at either Musselburgh High Street or Queen Margaret University. A sillier change is the N106 renumbered to N107. Anything else with a Variation is likely a timetable change.
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overthewater
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4 weeks later the tram line to Leith opens, however i'm also surprised such a major change is happening well before the line opens.