Trying to be kind, I suppose that it’s a better case than Stranraer to Dumfries or some of the other nonsense reopening that keep getting brought up (despite evidence!)
Dr Beeching had this line down to survive; the fact that it closed is entirely down to British Rail/ politicians
If it were still operational today then I wouldn’t be demanding its closure, I’m sure it’d be of more use than a lot of basket case lines… (in the same way that there are a lot of lines that don’t carry many passengers today but aren’t
huge priorities for closing)
But clearly it didn’t survive, and spaffing a billion pounds (or whatever the final sum will be) is ridiculous in the current environment.
Just because it once existed doesn’t mean there’s any need to bring it back. But then some BufferStopPhobic enthusiasts have a mindset where they downplay a line on a brand new alignment (e.g. HS2 with eighteen trains an hour, 400m long, ultra-fast) but do fixate on reinstating rural routes which closed over fifty years ago where you might get a couple of trains a day because they are obsessed with the past
Evidence that this line through fairly empty countryside is a classic Solution In Need Of A Problem (SINOAP, not to be confused with SELRAP!) is the way that the same people often come up with completely contradictory “justifications” - they aren’t interested in solving actual problems, they just want an old line to reopen and with backwards from there
So one moment the “Peak” line can be a single track route to ensure that there’s still sufficient space for the walkers/ cyclists (ignoring the many bridges you’d have to build to maintain current access points to the Trail, the obvious problem of horse riders sharing a tunnel with diesel trains etc)…
… Then it’s a relatively fast alignment from London to Manchester with 125mph trains (ignoring the curves of the Peak District and the fact that huge numbers of seats will be freed up on the existing London to Manchester route once HS2 comes along, because we simply must reinstate some daft Victorian plan)…
…. But then it’s a freight route to take the long/ slow Quarry services off the Hope Vallley route (although obviously not the cement trains from Hope itself)…
.., no, wait, it needs a local service to stop at all of the intermediate villages (because presumably a relatively fast London to Manchester train won’t stop between Derby and Stockport or whichever equivalent station it passes on its way into Manchester?)
We even had a thread where some enthusiast for reopening the line wanted to go there whole hog and close the East Didsbury Metrolink line so that London trains could run the “authentic” way to a newly reopened station in central Manchester!
(I suppose I should be thankful that the “must have London services” fns haven’t broken into an argument about whether it ought to go to St Pancras or down the GC to Marylebone… Maybe a circular route north of Leicester, with trains running northbound through Bakewell, passing through Castlefield and heading back south via Woodhead?)
In short, it’s nonsense. A single track line with frequent freight in each direction and long distance passenger trains doing 125mph, all just the other side of the fence from horse riders and kids learning to ride bikes. Nope, I can’t see any flaws there….
there will always be a necessity for conventional Manchester/Leeds - London paths post-HS2, in addition to the released capacity for rail freight that HS2 delivers. Therefore, a Manchester path should be provided long term on the Midland Main Line via Miller’s Dale (not the Hope Valley) in addition to the residual Manchester service on the WCML
What exactly is wrong with the Hope Valley? Admittedly it is no Woodhead and you cannot run a long term London - Manchester service via the Dore curve, but is is a perfectly good New Mills - Sheffield alignment.
Why can’t you run a London - Manchester service via the chord at Dore?
I mean, it’d be a nonsense service whether via Bakewell or Hope but any extra capacity would be a lot easier to build on the Hope line than a mega-project through Bakewell
Why not build an underground station in the middle of the tunnel and advertise on the main London - Manchester services “Change here for the Monsal Trail”?
Ah, phew, I thought you were being serious… apologies!
Bakewell, both a settlement and honeypot/tourist site which is again unserved
Bakewell.. a town of under four thousand people… which is much more in the orbit of Sheffield than any other city
But then these threads are never about solving actual problems (e.g. if you need to build a railway to Bakewell then a branch south from Grindleford would give the town a service to the city that it has more connections with, maybe even a Chatsworth P&R whilst you’re at it, but this isn’t about looking at travel patterns in the twenty first century, this is just about dusting down some nineteenth century Rail Atlas)
(Credit to
@zwk500 for making the Stranraer comment first)