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Tutuba

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Hi!
It's my birthday this weekend and I need help - I live in Guildford currently and plan on going out in London on Saturday night. I've still not decided where I'm going - I think I will base that on venues on the earliest nearby train station.

I need your help, as the tube sites I find impossible to use.

- What is the earliert train on Sunday 20th from London to Guildford
- I've never used the tube before - have you got any tips? Can I pay in normal money or do I need a oyster card?

Thanks :D
 
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You can get into the centre of London (Charing Cross) with a ticket just to London Terminals. If you want to travel in London you can either buy a ticket to London Zones 1-6 (if it's a day return), or alternatively you could use an Oyster card for Pay As You Go (PAYG). Don't consider paying for single tube journeys in cash. Also many buses will not accept cash in London. For travel in London the options really are Oyster PAYG, or a Travelcard.

I'm unsure what you mean by the first train, technically the 00:09 service is the first on a Sunday, this would be valid on a day return dated for the 19th.

After that there is no direct train until 07:37 from London Waterloo, but there are other options that involve a change of trains (and in one case a rail replacement bus). Use a journey planner site or ticket booking site to see full details.

If you wish to return on Sunday, you would need 2 x singles at £10.80 each, totalling £21.60 (You could get a return to somewhere like West Hampstead, and not bother completing the journey, the price of that is £23.60, that gives you 2 x cross London transfers, and at £1 each that's a good price, if they will be of use to you)
 

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Thanks for your help so far.

Sorry, I meant Sunday 'morning' as in around 2/3 am when places kick out. What train could I get around this time? I don't understand the undeground timetabling :(

Also there will be 4 of us - if this makes it any cheaper in any way? And I have a 16-25 railcard.
 

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As Yorkie said, there are no trains toward Guildford around that time. The underground is also shut at that stage. The earliest you can get a direct train to Guildford is 0737; there's a journey from Victoria via Gatwick Airport at 0502.

A 16-25 Railcard knocks 34% off the train fares, and if you get an Oyster card you can have the discount loaded onto it as well.

Four people travelling together go for the price of two on that route, but only on selected ticket types. This isn't cumulative with Railcard discounts.
 

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Ok. Thanks for your help so far... is the underground like normal train stations so there will be waiting areas?? And how can I get from Charing Cross (basically where the club is to) to London Victoria? Will there be buses running or is that in walking distance?

Thanks so much guys! :D
 
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There are plenty of buses running all night between Trafalgar Square (near Charing Cross) and Victoria station. You could also walk, the TfL journey planner suggests it will take 27 minutes from Charing Cross station to Victoria station.

In central London the Underground stations are pretty much all underground, so there aren't waiting areas as such but there are usually a few seats. Most lines have services every few minutes in the centre so you won't have to wait long anyway. The underground doesn't run all night though, it runs down after midnight and stops by about 1am at the latest.
 

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Ok. Thanks for your help so far... is the underground like normal train stations so there will be waiting areas. And how can I get from Charing Cross (basically where the club is to) to London Victoria? Will there be buses running or is that in walking distance?

Thanks so much guys! :D

There are night buses, which accept Oyster Pay-As-You-Go (the way I see it, really your only option here, given that a travelcard issued on one day will run out at 0430 on the next day.)

I would suggest taking the N11 night bus towards Ealing. Note that during the night, buses are far less frequent than they are during the day: whereas in daytime, central London buses usually come a minimum of every 15 minutes, night buses tend to be timetabled for one or two buses per hour. Here is a timetable for the N11.

The Tube is not like mainline railways. Very few stations (if any - someone with better knowledge of London can probably correct me!) have "waiting areas" unless you count the platforms themselves, which are closed overnight whilst engineering work is taking place. Mainline stations usually close once the last train has left, but Victoria is open 24/7 according to this page, so you could just hole up on a bench with a book/Nintendo DS/etc.

This is because in normal service, Tube trains are "metro" services where trains come every few minutes, and, in most cases, call at all stations en-route to their destination. It's a "turn-up-and-go" system, and so most people just stand while waiting a couple of minutes for their train.

Underground stations, therefore, don't have waiting areas and aren't really like National Rail stations. It's easy to find your way around on the Tube, though: as long as you follow the signs and check the map, you shouldn't have any trouble at all.

Again, my suggestion is that you should get a pay-as-you-go Oyster card to get around London, and just buy a simple off-peak return to London Terminals (just ask the ticket clerk at Guildford for "a return to London, coming back tomorrow.")

You can buy an Oyster card from most newsagents in London, and there is an Oyster vending machine that will spit out a card loaded with £2 if you put in £5 in coins at Waterloo tube (or, rather, there was last time I was there - YMMV.) The system is extremely simple to use on the Tube: you touch it against the yellow reader on the gates (or on a pedestal or mounted on a wall, if there are no gates) on entering and exiting the system.

On the bus, it's even simpler: you just touch it against the reader upon boarding, and you're done. Remember that London buses and trams have a flat fare of £1.30 per journey.

Another good thing about Oyster PAYG is that it automatically works out the cheapest fare - so the daily cost will never exceed that of a one-day Travelcard.

Only an idiot would pay by cash on buses, trams and the Tube in London, given that the bus fare becomes £2.20 and the Tube single fare in excess of £4 for a journey in Zone 1.
 

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This sounds so complex! How much is a Tube journey? Sorry about all these questions!
 

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Again, my suggestion is that you should get a pay-as-you-go Oyster card to get around London, and just buy a simple off-peak return to London Terminals (just ask the ticket clerk at Guildford for "a return to London, coming back tomorrow.")

There is no Off-Peak Return (per se) for this flow. Most of the fares offered are day returns. The only exception is Route Reading, which costs £30 without railcard / £19.80 with. Be better off sticking with two singles.

You can buy an Oyster card from most newsagents in London, and there is an Oyster vending machine that will spit out a card loaded with £2 if you put in £5 in coins at Waterloo tube (or, rather, there was last time I was there - YMMV.)

I doubt that the situation would still be the same, given that the deposit on Oyster Prepay went up from £3 to £5 at the beginning of this year.

More ideas for the OP:

Guildford - London Zones 1-6 Super Off-Peak Day Travelcard is only £8.80 with your railcard and is valid at any time at weekends for a day up to 04.30h the following morning. A single to London Terminals costs £7.15 so if you want to use tube/bus in London and don't want the hassle of getting an Oyster, loading your railcard discount on, registering the card and faffing with getting your deposit back at the end of your trip then I would recommend the travelcard, unless you want to keep the card for when you visit London again later. On your return journey, similarly you can get a London Zones 1-6 Off-Peak Day Travelcard (Note: this one is not super off-peak) for £5.30 with your railcard plus a Boundary Zone 6 - Guildford Anytime Day Single for £3.95 should you need to use tube/bus at all on the second day. Alternatively just buy the same travelcard as the previous day and you don't need to use the outbound portion.
 

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I doubt that the situation would still be the same, given that the deposit on Oyster Prepay went up from £3 to £5 at the beginning of this year.

Indeed it did, but the vending machines that look like chewing gum vending machines still take £5 and put £2 on the card. At least they did at both Kings Cross and London Bridge on February 24th. See http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2011/02/get-new-card-with-3-deposit/
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You will get 1/3 off those quoted fares, except on Oyster PAYG which I believe to be 1/3 off the daily cap due to your railcard.

Oyster cards with railcard discounts attached give 1/3 off all off-peak rail fares (nr/tube/dlr) and the off-peak daily cap. Thus on Monday-Friday you get no discount at all between 0630 and 0930, no discount on single fares between 1600 and 1900, while the discounted off-peak price cap applies between 0930 and 0430 the next day.
 

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Indeed it did, but the vending machines that look like chewing gum vending machines still take £5 and put £2 on the card. At least they did at both Kings Cross and London Bridge on February 24th. See http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2011/02/get-new-card-with-3-deposit/

Given that the last few times I was in London, the machine seemed to have been OOO in almost all places, I just assumed that they'd stopped retailing them through the machines until they got round to replacing the software
 

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Methinks this thread might be going into a little too much detail and choice for the OP :)

I’d advise buying a Super Off-Peak Travelcard @ £8.80 each (with Railcard) or £34.00 for all 4 of you (ask at the ticket office for ‘Groupsave’ tickets)– this will give you travel into London and unlimited travel on all public transport in London, including the Tube and buses, until 0430 on Sunday morning. Even if you don’t use the travel in London, it’s there if you need it and saves worrying about Oyster etc.

On Sunday, buy a single back to Guildford on Sunday morning at £7.15 each (with Railcard) or £21.60 for all 4 of you (ask at the ticket office for ‘Groupsave’ tickets).

As others have said, there’s no need to worry about the Tube or using buses in London – everything is very clearly shown, there are maps everywhere and every stop is clearly announced (even on buses). Just take your time and don’t get stressed out by the crowds hurrying around. The Tube will have closed by the time you leave the club – you can either get a bus (most bus stops will have a map showing where buses go and where to get them from) or walk to Victoria or Waterloo.

NB: If you buy ‘Groupsave’ tickets, you must travel together, or the tickets won’t be valid. You can’t get these tickets from the ticket machines.
 

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Given that the last few times I was in London, the machine seemed to have been OOO in almost all places, I just assumed that they'd stopped retailing them through the machines until they got round to replacing the software

There's little to no software in those machines; all they do is confirm you've put in at least £5. The cards are pre-loaded (i.e. if one was to smash open the machine and take out all the cards, they would work normally and in theory be able to be cashed in).

I believe they are retaining them until they run out of stock, at which point they will be removed, and the machines that currently only take coins and issue paper tickets (and are thus used about twice a week) will be replaced by machines that take more forms of payment and dispense Oyster cards. The challenge to date was how to keep the cards inactive in the machine but activate them (with whatever amount of credit the customer requests) as they are being dispensed.
 

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The challenge to date was how to keep the cards inactive in the machine but activate them (with whatever amount of credit the customer requests) as they are being dispensed.

I suppose they could already be activated with NIL balance on it and sold for a fiver. The customer can then top up as usual.
 

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That would probably either (a) cause further customer confusion that they have to buy it and top it up in separate transactions or (b) continue the vandalism risk of the existing machines. Perhaps it would be a good intermediate step.
 
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