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Avanti - Trainee Train Drivers - Recruitment Discussion

IW22

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Hello SGriffin,

I really empathize with you. I took my test today after having been ill with flu for the last four days, and my mind was not very sharp. This was reflected mainly on the third part of the Visual Search Exercise (VSE).

On top of that, I made some silly mistakes, such as replying on the right side first, thinking I could then reply on the left side too, and similar mistakes. I struggled quite a bit with the third part of the test, mostly at the beginning until I fully understood it.

May I please ask you (and also it would be nice to see the answers of anyone else who feels like replying) how many mistakes on average you think you might have made in that third part of the test? I could have made around 40 out of 140, so I feel a bit concerned and quite dissapointed because, under normal conditions, I believe I could have done much better. However, I still have hope because I am confident that the rest of the test/s went reasonably well.

Thank you for your time, I look forward to reading your answer(s).
Wouldn't worry too much ,although that's easier said than done ,I'm in the same boat as you my friend as during my VSE test went berzerk and stayed that way on multiple occasions ,then it would work again .
So I'm not holding my breath but as my dear old dad would say " if it's meant to be it will happen "....Good luck anyway
 
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Manchester - it was a no for me

Good luck to everyone who progressed or are still waiting.
Unlucky

I'm actually gutted, but trying to convince myself I'm not haha!

Dream another dream! (See what I did there?!)

All the best going forward
 
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For anyone that has already sat the M7 & VSE tests, how did you find the practice material in relation to the actual tests? Was the real thing a lot harder or more or less on the same level? Many thanks in advance
 

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For anyone that has already sat the M7 & VSE tests, how did you find the practice material in relation to the actual tests? Was the real thing a lot harder or more or less on the same level? Many thanks in advance
The M7 is more or less the same level. The VSE is a very different exercise but the practice material helps to get your eye in finding discrepancies quickly. Good luck!
 

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Just got my Wolves rejection, disappointed but if I wasn't good enough then that's fair enough.
Good luck everyone.
You quite possibly are "good enough".
My OH is a driver at Avanti and even he thinks the initial assessments are a load of guff, if he'd had to do them then he wouldn't be in the job!
The fact you didn't get through doesn't mean you aren't capable of driving a train, it simply means you aren't the "type" of person they're looking for, but that's psychologists for you I guess!
 

L401CJF

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Friend of mine received a 28 day email yesterday, then a rejection email having failed the online tests today.
 

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You quite possibly are "good enough".
My OH is a driver at Avanti and even he thinks the initial assessments are a load of guff, if he'd had to do them then he wouldn't be in the job!
The fact you didn't get through doesn't mean you aren't capable of driving a train, it simply means you aren't the "type" of person they're looking for, but that's psychologists for you I guess!
Thank you Penny.
 

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Tests are A4 sized, but all 5 tests fit on a single sheet of paper. So the paper is like A1 sized.
If it’s A1 size then that’s absolutely massive as A1 size is A4 x 8. Did you maybe mean A5 which is half A4 or A6 which is quarter?
 
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If it’s A1 size then that’s absolutely massive as A1 size is A4 x 4. Did you maybe mean A5 which is half A4 or A6 which is quarter?
A2 is A4 x 4 (2xA3).

A1 is A4 x 8! Agreed, that would be massive and probably a typo or error.
 

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Full page I think. Probably like 20 lines of dots. So no way you’re completing them in the 2 mins
You’re not meant to complete the test. It’s to test wether you start to panic when you realise you’re not completing the task and then stop being as accurate. So stop paying attention to detail and stop focusing on task at hand. It’s a real test of focus when you know you can’t complete the task at hand in allotted time. Just focus on what you can manage as accurately as you can and ignore the fine frame.
 
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Make sure you use one. Far to easy to make mistakes if you just use the touchpad on a laptop.
Ngl I used my macbook, I reckon I wasn't too bad because the tasks ended up being some of the materials I've been watching on YouTube.

I got 2 wrong on the second 1 and about 4 or 5 wrong on the third one (including the high demand 1s)
 
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How did everyone find the M7 SJT? I’m going through the practice material now and trying to complete it in 13 minutes is proving rather difficult
I think the M7 test is based more on your actual personal choice of a situation that you are put in. imagine being in different terrains consecutively, you would have different judgement of situations as to myself (or maybe the same) because of our view and own thoughts towards a situation we are put in as individuals.

I don't wanna say about the test incase I jepodise my ting lol but I recommend just storing the information and options in and go with what fits you best as a person as you answer
 

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If it’s A1 size then that’s absolutely massive as A1 size is A4 x 8. Did you maybe mean A5 which is half A4 or A6 which is quarter?

Sorry, you’re reading my post wrong. I’m not saying the dots are A1 sized.

You complete 5 sheets in 10 minutes, the sheets of dots are scaled at A4 like any practice you do. However, they are all printed on one big sheet.

The sheet is therefore about A1 sized, maybe a bit less, but the tests remain A4 sized. Imagine printing the 5 sheets of A4 tests and putting them next to each other.

The sheet took up the whole desk I was sat on.

They are all on one sheet so you don’t have to flick pages when you change every 2 minutes. It’s also easier for them to mark.



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You’re not meant to complete the test. It’s to test wether you start to panic when you realise you’re not completing the task and then stop being as accurate. So stop paying attention to detail and stop focusing on task at hand. It’s a real test of focus when you know you can’t complete the task at hand in allotted time. Just focus on what you can manage as accurately as you can and ignore the fine frame.

I know, I passed the OPC tests around 2 months ago. I got around 10 lines on each sheet. Good advice for those going forward. Accuracy is always key.



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A2 is A4 x 4 (2xA3).

A1 is A4 x 8! Agreed, that would be massive and probably a typo or error.

See my post above
 
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Oh it’s definitely possible but remember there are companies that still use paper forms and fax machines. :lol:

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I just did a bit of digging and apparently the OPC has 12 members of staff. That’s according to their tax return.
Lol you sound like the FCA
 

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I think if you’re determined to become a train driver you just keep trying? Even though I personally won’t be again. Reason being if I sat those questions again I would answer exactly the same way. If they aren’t the answers they are looking for I’m ok with that. Best to find out now!

It was a punt in a different direction for me I have a well paid job but I’m ready for something new. That’s why I’m philosophical about it I suppose. Not sure what now…something a bit more accessible like astronaut ;)
I won't be attempting this again either to be fair. I'm happy in my current role but I need to find another way to challenge myself!
I'm toying with airline pilot myself!!
 

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For anyone that has already sat the M7 & VSE tests, how did you find the practice material in relation to the actual tests? Was the real thing a lot harder or more or less on the same level? Many thanks in advance
Nothing to do with the material as level of difficulty
Try to find the practice test vse, £27
It s helpful for the practise but graphics are different. I struggled with M7 but that’s my case… a bit disapointed to not finish them in time but maybe is not for me the job. Answers are so similar for many so I had to read many times.
Good luck to everyone!
 

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Hi Penny, I hold a commercial pilots license, if you need any advice give me a shout but don't rush into that one without a ton of research! Like this industry there's a forum with a wannabe section, search PPRUNE, and have a mooch.
 

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I think if you’re determined to become a train driver you just keep trying? Even though I personally won’t be again. Reason being if I sat those questions again I would answer exactly the same way. If they aren’t the answers they are looking for I’m ok with that. Best to find out now!

It was a punt in a different direction for me I have a well paid job but I’m ready for something new. That’s why I’m philosophical about it I suppose. Not sure what now…something a bit more accessible like astronaut ;)
Try with a different TOC, you may find it's the Avanti process that isn't perfect for you rather than the role - I've previously passed testing at WMT and TfW but never made it past the first assessments with Avanti until this time
 

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Interesting to see people saying they will never apply again and look at a completely different industry because they didn’t get through to the next stage.
You either want to be a train driver or don’t?
 

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Interesting to see people saying they will never apply again and look at a completely different industry because they didn’t get through to the next stage.
You either want to be a train driver or don’t?

Definitely interesting, people who really want it will apply for every TOC until they are in.

Avanti is one of the hardest ones to get through so people should be proud to get this far and keep going for it.
 

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Interesting to see people saying they will never apply again and look at a completely different industry because they didn’t get through to the next stage.
You either want to be a train driver or don’t?
I don't blame applicants if they feel like giving up. I've been applying back and forth externally and internally for ten years. Just got knocked for Avanti so I feel like chucking it.
 

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Definitely interesting, people who really want it will apply for every TOC until they are in.

Avanti is one of the hardest ones to get through so people should be proud to get this far and keep going for it.
I can guarantee many people who have got through don't actually want it, they just want the money.
I wanted this 100% but I'm not prepared to put myself through this process again. I'm worth more than that.

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I don't blame applicants if they feel like giving up. I've been applying back and forth externally and internally for ten years. Just got knocked for Avanti so I feel like chucking it.
If you don't fit the mold, you don't fit the mold. At this stage they don't care if you'd make a good train driver, all that matters is that you match their psychological criteria. So frustrating.
 
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Thousands of people would have applied.
It may have been the sake of picking the order wrong of the multiple choice answers a few times that could have determined wether you get through to the next stage, get a rejection email or like me get a ‘we’ll get back to you within 28 days’

Good luck to all the people who advance but you don’t just give up the first time applying for train driver vacancies.
There’s TfW, Merseyrail, Northern, Avanti and TPE all in the North West who may have vacancies in the coming months.

If anything, being part of this process gives people an edge when applying for future jobs that can be careers for the next 30 years.
 

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Back to the drawing board for me, figure out how else I can challenge myself without selling my soul

Do what I did - a degree with the OU. Part time, you can spread it over 6 -12 years. You will be challenged!

Also, avoid chasing being an airline pilot if you didn't like this process, although why not head to your local airfield and have a flying lesson? It's a very rewarding (albeit expensive) past time!
 

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Do what I did - a degree with the OU. Part time, you can spread it over 6 -12 years. You will be challenged!

Also, avoid chasing being an airline pilot if you didn't like this process, although why not head to your local airfield and have a flying lesson? It's a very rewarding (albeit expensive) past time!
Done the OU thing and loved it.
I hate heights so maybe airline pilot isn't for me!
 

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