Class 230 units training/introduction on the Borderlands line: updates

[Baxenden Bank]

Are TfW still expecting one diagram to be a 197 or x4 230s available for use?

The consultation states:

Wrexham – Bidston = shown in black text on white but formed of 2-car class 197 or 3-car class 230

 

[L401CJF]

According to an internal message , the first 230 is scheduled to enter service on April 3rd.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

According to an internal message , the first 230 is scheduled to enter service on April 3rd.

And this time, there may well be a year to add to that date that can actually be relied upon.

 

[EngFocus]

it's possible we could be without trains until the 3rd then. So more imperative than ever that they work!

 

[Techniquest]

According to an internal message , the first 230 is scheduled to enter service on April 3rd.

Definitely a good reason to start looking at a visit to the area soon then Here's hoping it all goes ahead!

 

[Jacob Porrett]

According to an internal message , the first 230 is scheduled to enter service on April 3rd.

Exciting times

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I wonder if they’ll be as disgustingly sweltering hot as the Marston Vale ones were during summer. If so, I’ll be vigorously checking Realtime Trains if I ever need to use the line to ensure I time it for one of the 197 diagrams instead!

 

[EngFocus]

I wonder if they’ll be as disgustingly sweltering hot as the Marston Vale ones were during summer. If so, I’ll be vigorously checking Realtime Trains if I ever need to use the line to ensure I time it for one of the 197 diagrams instead!

Thankfully TfW's do have aircon, whereas I don't think LNR's did.

 

[Chris125]

I wonder if they’ll be as disgustingly sweltering hot as the Marston Vale ones were during summer. If so, I’ll be vigorously checking Realtime Trains if I ever need to use the line to ensure I time it for one of the 197 diagrams instead!

...yet the 484s were fine even on the hottest days funnily enough, keeping all the doors must help.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Thankfully TfW's do have aircon, whereas I don't think LNR's did.

Wonderful news.

...yet the 484s were fine even on the hottest days funnily enough, keeping all the doors must help.

Were they? I’ve only used them in February (2022)

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

...yet the 484s were fine even on the hottest days funnily enough, keeping all the doors must help.

What do you mean by "keeping all the doors" above? Do some trains run "door-less"...

 

[6Gtraincrew]

What do you mean by "keeping all the doors" above? Do some trains run "door-less"...

The WMT ones had two doors per coach removed and blocked off (they used to have four per side on each coach). TFW kept to four each side except for the coach with the UAT which has three doors.

 

[Pacco]

it's possible we could be without trains until the 3rd then. So more imperative than ever that they work!

Just saw one rattle by near Neston.

As Mark Twain definitely said: "reports of the demise of the TfW Class 150s are greatly exaggerated".

 

[Peter Sarf]

...yet the 484s were fine even on the hottest days funnily enough, keeping all the doors must help.

My guess is the warm compartments might be because the Marston Vale units ran East/West so would have been side on to the midday sun. Whereas the Isle Of Wight units (class 484) are running on a North/South route so less likely to gain heat from the sun during the warmest part of the day. Thus the thermal gain possibilities for the 230s on the Borderlands line will be more like that of the Isle Of Wight Class 484 units - they wont get heated up by the sun so much.

 

[tomm]

Any sign of the first TFW class 230 due to enter service on Monday 3rd April that is if the line properly reopens.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I wonder what will happen first? 1,500 postings on this thread or a satisfactory full reliable service provision on the Borderlands Line by Class 230 units?

 

[Anonymous10]

I wonder what will happen first? 1,500 postings on this thread or a satisfactory full reliable service provision on the Borderlands Line by Class 230 units?

Given after I post this that leaves 15 posts I recon 1500

 

[anthony263]

Monday I've heard mentioned. I think right now tfw really need the 230s in reliable service

 

[D365]

I wonder what will happen first? 1,500 postings on this thread or a satisfactory full reliable service provision on the Borderlands Line by Class 230 units?

Pick a number, any number…

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I wonder what will happen first? 1,500 postings on this thread or a satisfactory full reliable service provision on the Borderlands Line by Class 230 units?

what does "satisfactory full reliable service" mean to you
No faults is impossible, in that case, what miles per fault (or days per fault) is "satisfactory"?
Also I think we'll hit #1500 before 230s are even running.

 

[Caaardiff]

I wonder what will happen first? 1,500 postings on this thread or a satisfactory full reliable service provision on the Borderlands Line by Class 230 units?

The lettuce will win

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

what does "satisfactory full reliable service" mean to you

To quote an old advert, it does exactly what it says on the tin....

 

[zwk500]

To quote an old advert, it does exactly what it says on the tin....

Give a 0% failure rate is impossible, its a reasonable question. 'Satisfactory' could mean quite a wide range of service provided.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Give a 0% failure rate is impossible, its a reasonable question. 'Satisfactory' could mean quite a wide range of service provided.

"Satisfactory" is what I see in the minds of those people who actually use the service as passengers.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Do we know if they're going to try to cover both diagrams from day one or just start with one for now? Should this be true then it'll be very useful releasing 150s for other duties on the network.

 

[Intercity110]

do they have the same interiors as the 230s?

 

[185]

My big concern is the aircon. If the LNR sets can't cope and repeatedly needed engine raft swaps, add aircon and the load on the engine will be even worse.

Shall we see if the 230s can out-burn the 175s?

 

[Peter Sarf]

I wonder what will happen first? 1,500 postings on this thread or a satisfactory full reliable service provision on the Borderlands Line by Class 230 units?

I accuse you of insider betting. Very clever - by asking the question you have guaranteed the myriad of responses will take us past 1,500 and even I have now fallen for it !.

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My big concern is the aircon. If the LNR sets can't cope and repeatedly needed engine raft swaps, add aircon and the load on the engine will be even worse.

Shall we see if the 230s can out-burn the 175s?

I have lost track - how many engines do the Borderlands 230s have ?. Or is it all batteries?.

 

[Intercity110]

My big concern is the aircon. If the LNR sets can't cope and repeatedly needed engine raft swaps, add aircon and the load on the engine will be even worse.

Shall we see if the 230s can out-burn the 175s?

it's TFW who're doing the maintainance, not viva rail

 

[Peter Sarf]

I demand my cut of the winnings @Xenophon PCDGS .