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Should the UK engage in a selective programme of rewilding?

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Burning moorland to keep it moorland is clearly not good for the environment. Leaving it to grow naturally, eventually becoming trees would obviously be a benefit in terms of producing oxygen and capturing carbon, but also in terms of absorbing potential floodwaters preventing flooding of towns downstream.

Now, I'm no ecowarrior and I've got no desire to reverse urbanisation or anything like that, I just think burning moorland is increasingly destructive and nonsensical, especially above valleys that flood frequently and where trees could solve that issue, with benefits for wildlife too. I'd also be against re-introducing any dangerous animals. I could see this working well and making sense in many Pennine areas and it is fairly cheap to do as you don't really have to do anything to achieve it, probably much cheaper and less destructive than building flood defences.

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There is growing recognition of the ecological damage caused by managing uplands for shooting and livestock farming and many projects seeking to redress this. In Scotland, where laird-bashing is a popular sport, the government is already looking at restrictions:
We are consulting on proposals relating to: introducing a licensing scheme for grouse shooting; increased regulation for muirburn (the burning of vegetation to maintain moorland) ...
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There is growing recognition of the ecological damage caused by managing uplands for shooting and livestock farming and many projects seeking to redress this. In Scotland, where laird-bashing is a popular sport, the government is already looking at restrictions:

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That’s great to see it being recognised as a sensible solution by a UK government, just need the British government to follow now then :)
 

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Yes, for moorland and unproductive farmland it seems like a relatively easy way to significantly address both climate and biodiversity crises, without losing anything of much value.

In terms of dangerous animals if there are no top predators then management e.g. shooting will generally be needed instead which some may not like. And I believe dogs are statistically the most dangerous animals to humans and we seem to manage to live with them ok.
 

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Burning moorland to keep it moorland is clearly not good for the environment. Leaving it to grow naturally, eventually becoming trees would obviously be a benefit in terms of producing oxygen and capturing carbon, but also in terms of absorbing potential floodwaters preventing flooding of towns downstream.

Now, I'm no ecowarrior and I've got no desire to reverse urbanisation or anything like that, I just think burning moorland is increasingly destructive and nonsensical, especially above valleys that flood frequently and where trees could solve that issue, with benefits for wildlife too. I'd also be against re-introducing any dangerous animals. I could see this working well and making sense in many Pennine areas and it is fairly cheap to do as you don't really have to do anything to achieve it, probably much cheaper and less destructive than building flood defences.

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Great idea for a thread !

I'm involved with various rewilding initiatives. So, unsurprisingly, my view is that we need more rewilding, and quickly.

But rewilding isn't only about managing the uplands, as important as that is. There are rewilding initiatives all over the place. Probably the most famous of all schemes is on the Knepp estate in Surrey, but there are plenty of other projects in lowland and coastal areas in Somerset, Dorset, The Fens, etc.

There are also marine re-wilding projects, focusing on re-establishing seagrass meadows or oyster beds.

In terms of the uplands, Scotland is leading the way, with large scale schemes such as Cairngorms Connect, and the NTS scheme at Mar Lodge. There's also various community-led projects, such as Carrifran and Tarras Valley near Moffat in the Southern Uplands. The latter recently bought another 5,000 acres (doubling their acreage), which I am glad to say I contributed to.

In England, the most advanced large-scale scheme in an upland area is probably Wild Ennerdale, which is a Forest England/National Trust/United Utilites collaboration. There's also a great project at Haweswater led by the RSPB.

Here in Wales, sadly, rewilding has become a dirty word, mainly thanks to the ceaseless propaganda activities of the two farmers' unions. So we are some way behind the other countries in terms of what has been achieved so far.
 

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I am happy with planting changing, but not the introduction of dangerous to humans predators e.g. bears/wolves, as these pose a risk to those using the land for recreational purposes and the UK has managed fine without them.
 

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Yes, for moorland and unproductive farmland it seems like a relatively easy way to significantly address both climate and biodiversity crises, without losing anything of much value.

In terms of dangerous animals if there are no top predators then management e.g. shooting will generally be needed instead which some may not like. And I believe dogs are statistically the most dangerous

As long as the meat of any hunted animals is consumed then hunting animals is not too much different to farming animals for meat, obviously it needs to be managed to keep it sustainable but it’s natures way at the end of the day for some animals to be hunted and eaten.
 

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It would nice to see more 'wilding' of unused land in urban and suburban areas with protection against development, to have areas for local wildlife and local people to see nature has many benefits.
 

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It would nice to see more 'wilding' of unused land in urban and suburban areas with protection against development, to have areas for local wildlife and local people to see nature has many benefits.
Derby have a got an interesting rewilding project on a former golf course.

 

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Derby have a got an interesting rewilding project on a former golf course.

An excellent idea, especially with water hazards that can easily be repurposed as ponds (though that might attract herons if loaded with fish) and the hills of the golf course. It would be nice to see a wider range of trees and bigger patches of woodland however and less mowed grass.
 

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An excellent idea, especially with water hazards that can easily be repurposed as ponds (though that might attract herons if loaded with fish) and the hills of the golf course. It would be nice to see a wider range of trees and bigger patches of woodland however and less mowed grass.
I think they are still at the planning stage, very little work has started as yet.

Is golf less popular nowadays? I know of at least 2 other projects that involve 'wilding' golf courses, e.g. the Woodland Trust recently announced they are doing a scheme at Frodsham near Runcorn, and there's another I know of near Newport.

According to this article there are schemes underway in Exeter and Sunderland also...

https://www.thegolfbusiness.co.uk/2021/10/two-golf-courses-to-be-converted-into-eco-parks/
 

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I am happy with planting changing, but not the introduction of dangerous to humans predators e.g. bears/wolves, as these pose a risk to those using the land for recreational purposes and the UK has managed fine without them.
Wolves and bears aren't really that dangerous. More people are killed by cat, cows or horses in the USA despite large populations of both wolves and bears.
 

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Wolves and bears aren't really that dangerous. More people are killed by cat, cows or horses in the USA despite large populations of both wolves and bears.

They are something I'd rather not have to contend with when hillwalking etc, and they aren't essential to the ecosystem, we haven't had them for years.
 

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Wolves and bears aren't really that dangerous. More people are killed by cat, cows or horses in the USA despite large populations of both wolves and bears.
Probably because people tend to take their guns hiking over there. It would be a completely different story over here I suspect!
 

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Probably because people tend to take their guns hiking over there. It would be a completely different story over here I suspect!

There are plenty of things we can do in preference to introducing animals dangerous to humans, anyway. We've not had them for years, nor does most of western Europe. We don't need them.

I don't see an issue with farmers managing wildlife using guns provided it's done sensitively (so probably not the red coats, horses and dogs!) and where possible the animal (e.g. venison) is used for food.
 

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Wolves and bears are found in many European countries and not seem to cause any problems to humi
 

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They do cause problems to humans. Maybe not that often but they do.

It's not necessary to have them. They are no longer indigenous anyway.

Wolves are in every European country except Belgium and Luxembourg. Would you like to provide some examples of them proving dangerous to humans? I’ve been hillwalking in Spain with Wolves howling around me and not felt threatened in the slightest. Keystone predators are essential for a properly functioning ecosystem, their absence is one of the main reasons Britain’s is so broken.

Having said that, there may well be good arguments against reintroducing them in terms of lack of suitable habitat or potential depredations on livestock but not because of any realistic threat to humans.
 

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Wolves are in every European country except Belgium and Luxembourg. Would you like to provide some examples of them proving dangerous to humans? I’ve been hillwalking in Spain with Wolves howling around me and not felt threatened in the slightest. Keystone predators are essential for a properly functioning ecosystem, their absence is one of the main reasons Britain’s is so broken.

Having said that, there may well be good arguments against reintroducing them in terms of lack of suitable habitat or potential depredations on livestock but not because of any realistic threat to humans.
There are 24 wolves reported to be now living in the wild in Belgium.
 

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Cows are visible in a field
Except when they aren't. More than once I've only discovered that there were cows after I already committed to a path.
Bears sneak up on you.
More like people sneak up on bears. They (black or brown bears) almost never intentionally attack humans. And I assume nobody is proposing the introduction of polar bears to the UK.
 

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Cows are visible in a field; it's easy to decide not to go into that field and divert, e.g. if you have a dog or the cows are calving. Bears sneak up on you.

You have been watching to many horror movies - bears like most wild animals hear you a long time before you get close to them and keep well clear.
 

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You have been watching to many horror movies - bears like most wild animals hear you a long time before you get close to them and keep well clear.
Or Twix adverts!

"It doesn't matter if you choose left or right because they're both chewy, crunchy and delicious" :)
 

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You have been watching to many horror movies - bears like most wild animals hear you a long time before you get close to them and keep well clear.
I believe this is generally the case, but from doing some hiking/cross country skiing in Canada in Spring time, we were warned that bears are more aggressive just after they emerge from hibernation (we didn't see any though).
 

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Or Twix adverts!

"It doesn't matter if you choose left or right because they're both chewy, crunchy and delicious" :)

I dunno, if we're talking old adverts I'd be more worried about working at Barrow-in-Furness Bus Depot* than bears or cows! :)

* As in Chewits are even chewier than...
 

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I doubt we'll be seeing wolves or bears reintroduced to the UK, but I am hopeful that a case can be made for lynx.
 
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