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Hi guys I’m new here and just got an invitation for the recent Avanti Trainee Train Driver OPC assessments. 5 assessments

How difficult are these and do you have to complete them in a laptop with a mouse as it says? I’ve only got an iPad.

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Honestly, you are far better off with a laptop or computer. You would almost certainly be putting yourself at an unnecessary disadvantage using an iPad.
 

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OPC were asked why many successful candidates disregarded their use a mouse / touchpad rule and instead used a touchscreen device - giving those candidates a clear time advantage in one of the tests. Those who followed OPCs rule, using the specified mouse / touchpad scored lower.

OPC did not respond when asked.
 

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OPC were asked why many successful candidates disregarded their use a mouse / touchpad rule and instead used a touchscreen device - giving those candidates a clear time advantage in one of the tests. Those who followed OPCs rule, using the specified mouse / touchpad scored lower.

OPC did not respond when asked.
I’d be interested in where you get the data from to support your claim. Can you share the evidence about the scores being lower. Seems strange that a company would advise people to do something that gives them a disadvantage. But will read with interest your facts?
 

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I’d be interested in where you get the data from to support your claim. Can you share the evidence about the scores being lower. Seems strange that a company would advise people to do something that gives them a disadvantage. But will read with interest your facts?

I would speculate that they simply haven't run a full quality control process on sitting the assessments on anything other than a PC with a mouse/touchpad.

IIRC, the first batch of assessments would have been quite possible to take on something like an iPad or other tablet/smartphone as they were all text based. Bear in mind, however, that I did sit them on a laptop so I have nothing else to gauge it against.

If you make it to the next stage (VSE and M7), you certainly WILL want to take them on a laptop/PC, as I can imagine the screens behaving unpredictably on a tablet/smartphone.
 

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I would speculate that they simply haven't run a full quality control process on sitting the assessments on anything other than a PC with a mouse/touchpad.

IIRC, the first batch of assessments would have been quite possible to take on something like an iPad or other tablet/smartphone as they were all text based. Bear in mind, however, that I did sit them on a laptop so I have nothing else to gauge it against.

If you make it to the next stage (VSE and M7), you certainly WILL want to take them on a laptop/PC, as I can imagine the screens behaving unpredictably on a tablet/smartphone.
But the OP has data that shows that using a mouse lowers scores. Not ‘speculate’ but evidence. The concern is that people will follow the advice, fail the test, based on his recommendations.
 

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But the OP has data that shows that using a mouse lowers scores. Not ‘speculate’ but evidence. The concern is that people will follow the advice, fail the test, based on his recommendations.

I agree - I'm just providing a possible reason why they recommend doing it through a particular medium, and how that reason doesn't necessarily mean that other media won't be as effective.
 

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I agree - I'm just providing a possible reason why they recommend doing it through a particular medium, and how that reason doesn't necessarily mean that other media won't be as effective.
I fully agree with you.
I agree - I'm just providing a possible reason why they recommend doing it through a particular medium, and how that reason doesn't necessarily mean that other media won't be as effective.
sorry, not disagreeing with your point. It’s others saying that the instructions are designed to limit success, and ignoring them will help people pass. All people should do is read these ‘experts’ comments with a level of scepticism until there’s something substantive. Some people are desperately looking for any help in getting a job, and could risk these opportunities
 

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I fully agree with you.

sorry, not disagreeing with your point. It’s others saying that the instructions are designed to limit success, and ignoring them will help people pass. All people should do is read these ‘experts’ comments with a level of scepticism until there’s something substantive. Some people are desperately looking for any help in getting a job, and could risk these opportunities

Absolutely - unfortunately there's a lot of misinformation and contradictory statements on here. To reiterate what you've said (for the further benefit of anybody who's reading this), nobody should take anything here as gospel unless referenced/sourced/backed up properly. However, for some gentle guidance in the right direction, there's plenty of that here, just be sure to accept it with a dose of your own due diligence!
 

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I'm also getting ready for the Avanti OPC; could anyone recommend any practice tests I should buy to fully prepare for The OPC?
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Avanti-KQ2Avanti West Coast: More about you14/03/2023 17:00:00 GMT
Avanti-PQAvanti West Coast: Preference Questions14/03/2023 17:00:00 GMT
Avanti-SJTAvanti West Coast: Situational Judgement Test14/03/2023 17:00:00 GMT
Avanti-TB-DTAvanti West Coast: Priorities - Driving Tasks14/03/2023 17:00:00 GMT
Avanti-TB-NTSAvanti West Coast: Priorities - Non-Technical Skills14/03/2023 17:00:00 GMT

I have these in my basket right now, are they crucial, or can I leave some out in case I don't make it through this round?

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I'm also getting ready for the Avanti OPC; could anyone recommend any practice tests I should buy to fully prepare for The OPC?


I have these in my basket right now, are they crucial, or can I leave some out in case I don't make it through this round?

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You do not need really need to buy anything at all, and personally I along with others would advise against it. The practice material should be enough. For now just fill out the tests to the best of your ability.
 

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You do not need really need to buy anything at all, and personally I along with others would advise against it. The practice material should be enough. For now just fill out the tests to the best of your ability.
Not even the SJT or PQ?

As for the practice material, I didn't receive any in my email - is that available after I start the assessment as a warm-up?
 

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Not even the SJT or PQ?
I would say especially not those tests. As they suggest, they are tests which are about your personality (hence Personality Questionnaire) and how you would act in a situation based on your judgements (hence Situational Judgement Test). The best thing to do there is to read the questions and answer honestly, and don't overthink your answers. I managed them without any previous experience, so I am sure you could do it too.

As for the practice material, I didn't receive any in my email - is that available after I start the assessment as a warm-up?
The practice material will be attached to invitations for the in-person paper assessments as a PDF file. You can print them off when you get them.
 

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I would say especially not those tests. As they suggest, they are tests which are about your personality (hence Personality Questionnaire) and how you would act in a situation based on your judgements (hence Situational Judgement Test). The best thing to do there is to read the questions and answer honestly, and don't overthink your answers. I managed them without any previous experience, so I am sure you could do it too.
I hear you loud and clear. Safety, safety, and safety. I'll get to it Monday. If there's no revision to be done then it's best to stop dwelling on it.

The practice material will be attached to invitations for the in-person paper assessments as a PDF file. You can print them off when you get them.
It's difficult to go into an enhanced test blind. I can only hope that my current knowledge and experience will serve as a guide.

Thanks, Sorcerer.
 

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I hear you loud and clear. Safety, safety, and safety. I'll get to it Monday. If there's no revision to be done then it's best to stop dwelling on it.
I must stress that ultimately it is up to you if you want to buy any practice material, and I must also confess that I did buy a book to allow me to practice some group bourdon tests (which to be fair, you can train yourself to get better at such as with spotting the four dots and working fast and accurately). But I think many would argue here that you can get through it without buying anything, so I would definitely suggest not spending £50 on practice material. However do be aware that Avanti do not use the SCAAT tests so definitely don't buy that one.
It's difficult to go into an enhanced test blind. I can only hope that my current knowledge and experience will serve as a guide.
It's okay, I managed, and I only failed because I was on bad form rather than lack of skill and preparation. Keep a clear head about you and check in on the forums when you have questions and you should be good though.
 

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I must stress that ultimately it is up to you if you want to buy any practice material, and I must also confess that I did buy a book to allow me to practice some group bourdon tests (which to be fair, you can train yourself to get better at such as with spotting the four dots and working fast and accurately). But I think many would argue here that you can get through it without buying anything, so I would definitely suggest not spending £50 on practice material. However do be aware that Avanti do not use the SCAAT tests so definitely don't buy that one.
I just put a few in my cart and had seen SCAAT mentioned elsewhere, so that's a few quid saved. I'm considering the purchase to help me prepare for the assessment; the content is relevant, but the main reason is to familiarise myself with structure and expectations.
It's okay, I managed, and I only failed because I was on bad form rather than lack of skill and preparation. Keep a clear head about you and check in on the forums when you have questions and you should be good though.
Did you get a job as a driver eventually? Or are you working somewhere else in the industry?
 

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I just put a few in my cart and had seen SCAAT mentioned elsewhere, so that's a few quid saved. I'm considering the purchase to help me prepare for the assessment; the content is relevant, but the main reason is to familiarise myself with structure and expectations.
Again, I assert that the practice material is good enough, but it might definitely be worth thinking about trying to get some group bourdon tests on paper. Just take it one stage at a time (ie. don't buy material for the computer based stages until you know you're making it there).
Did you get a job as a driver eventually? Or are you working somewhere else in the industry?
I failed a single test in the computer assessments in January and am still on a six-month period before I can try again. I personally believe that I only failed because of bad form and pressing a button too many times. Mine was with Avanti for Liverpool depot as well.
 

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Again, I assert that the practice material is good enough, but it might definitely be worth thinking about trying to get some group bourdon tests on paper. Just take it one stage at a time (ie. don't buy material for the computer based stages until you know you're making it there).
These 5 are on the computer, and I haven't been given practice material... That's the reason I'm considering it, because I want to understand how it's structured.

I failed a single test in the computer assessments in January and am still on a six-month period before I can try again. I personally believe that I only failed because of bad form and pressing a button too many times. Mine was with Avanti for Liverpool depot as well.
Best of luck! Sounds like you have it in the bag.
 

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These 5 are on the computer, and I haven't been given practice material... That's the reason I'm considering it, because I want to understand how it's structured.
These ones won't have practice material, but the psychometric tests will. If you want more information on the tests you can just check if the OPC has information on their sites. This is the page for SJT test, but if the link doesn't work here just Google "train driver SJT test" and the first result should be the OPC website. That should give you the information you need to go through.
 

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Don’t buy any material for these tests. Just sit them. They want to establish your natural traits. That’s it. No prep necessary. If you get to the paper / pencil / computer stages, yes buy practice material - but not now.
 

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Hi guys I’m new here and just got an invitation for the recent Avanti Trainee Train Driver OPC assessments. 5 assessments

How difficult are these and do you have to complete them in a laptop with a mouse as it says? I’ve only got an iPad.

Thanks
Anyone tried it on a touch screen Device then yet?
 

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Hi all, sat the online assessment today for polmadie.
Does anyone know how quickly you receive the result ?
 

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Anyone tried it on a touch screen Device then yet?
Yes, these tests are fine on touchscreen. It's the next stage which requires a mouse to do correctly/accurately

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Hi all, sat the online assessment today for polmadie.
Does anyone know how quickly you receive the result ?
I believe it's about 2 weeks
 

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These ones won't have practice material, but the psychometric tests will. If you want more information on the tests you can just check if the OPC has information on their sites. This is the page for SJT test, but if the link doesn't work here just Google "train driver SJT test" and the first result should be the OPC website. That should give you the information you need to go through.
Finished, I see what you mean - there isn't much that could be revised. You just have to believe what you believe, and for me, that was that rules, safety, and procedure constitute the most important aspects of being a good train driver.
 

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Finished, I see what you mean - there isn't much that could be revised. You just have to believe what you believe, and for me, that was that rules, safety, and procedure constitute the most important aspects of being a good train driver.
Best of luck to you!
 
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I've had another invite to opc today to do a VSE and another situational judgement. Has anyone else had these and does anyone know if these count as part of your two strikes as I don't want to risk a talent pool position I already have. Thanks
 

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I've had another invite to opc today to do a VSE and another situational judgement. Has anyone else had these and does anyone know if these count as part of your two strikes as I don't want to risk a talent pool position I already have. Thanks
As far as I am aware the VSE and SJT do not count towards your two lives because they aren't kept on record. That said, the process is somewhat unclear, and I believe the VSE is part of Avanti's enhanced standards. I think most here would advise you not to risk your current talent pool position, but it's up to you at the end of the day.
 
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