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If the Network was being created today?

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Bartsimho

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If the Rail Network was being created today how would it look. What would the lines be like (or are there any)? How much Hand-Wringing would their be about any new line to be built? How many environmental protestors would put themselves into makeshift tunnels?
 
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If the Rail Network was being created today how would it look. What would the lines be like (or are there any)? How much Hand-Wringing would their be about any new line to be built? How many environmental protestors would put themselves into makeshift tunnels?
It would need to have underground stations everywhere as there would be no clear access into towns and cities.

Looking at HS1 and HS2, the access to terminal stations uses underground routes and reserved land. Even if Crossrail 2 were to ever be built, it would need to use safeguarded access sites which have been set aside for portals and access shafts.
 

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It would need to have underground stations everywhere as there would be no clear access into towns and cities.

Looking at HS1 and HS2, the access to terminal stations uses underground routes and reserved land. Even if Crossrail 2 were to ever be built, it would need to use safeguarded access sites which have been set aside for portals and access shafts.
I would just think there would be no network for this very reason. Even if it had massive benefits good luck getting it started in most of the country
 

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If the Rail Network was being created today how would it look. What would the lines be like (or are there any)? How much Hand-Wringing would their be about any new line to be built? How many environmental protestors would put themselves into makeshift tunnels?
For reference, look at the resistance to the expansion of the electricity grid to connect new wind farms off East Anglia.
 

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Presuming there was no rail network developed until today, the big 'what if' is that certain towns and cities would never have grown beyond hamlets without the rail network, and those differences would have impacted on the Motorway network and therefore the urban landscape the network would be being built in would be radically different.

You'd probably see much denser development as there wouldn't have been rail commuting. Suburbs would have only really taken off from the 60s and cars. So the Rail Network would be limited to a few trunk routes between major cities, skirting the edges, and freight connections to bulk flows.
 

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The short answer is “small”.

I think it's clear we'd not build any heavy rail branch lines - those would be the preserve of light rail if they existed at all. Lines like the S&C and the Bentham definitely wouldn't exist; there would be established coach services or nothing. Large urban areas would probably already have tramways and undergrounds.

The InterCity network would be mostly "parkway" type stations as there'd be no room to fit it into already established towns.
 

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If we were building from scratch we'd probably end up using Barcelona Metro style pit stations. You'd probably also build the entire network driverless - with high speed operations you'd end up with a very different shaped network.

If you did freight at all you'd probably have fixed formation double stack container trains or Chunnel style rolling highways.

It certainly would not look anything like the system we have today.
 

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Not too radically different I don't think.

It would be big and well used, since that is the only way you could persuade the powers that be that It was going to be worth the massive public expenditure and wholesale scrapping of the planning laws to get such a thing not just built but in time to reap the benefits (climate, levelling up).

It would be based on existing or near future technology, wholly electrified (opportunity charging), because obvious.

It would still be worthwhile to build a proper high speed network, tunnelling under cities and connecting to airports and parkways/hubs. It would use automation to ensure the network offered genuine one journey route utility, much like the way global air travel is deprecating hub and spoke networks.

It would still be worthwhile to build a slower but very comprehensive regional/commuter network primarily connecting towns with the high speed network at one extreme, remote villages at the other, with nothing really lost by sticking to surface or cut and cover, since quite a lot of destinations and an increasing number of travel hubs are now literally on the edge of towns or off motorway junctions anyway. Advanced in automation and signalling mean you can squeeze so many more trains into those few stations that are going to be in town centres. You would need far less smaller urban stations given personal pods and urban transit will now be the norm for these local trips, using space liberated from the private car. You would need far less trains too, doing more with less, given advances in technology, and because peak time loading and distances are going to continue to fall due to enhanced social mobility, localism and teleworking.

it would be quite ridiculous to expect there was any realistic chance of being able to build anything of significance in the metropolitan or suburban railways sector as it exists today. Even now, and certainly in the future, advances in technology, plus population density and urban space usage would mean any and all available space liberated from the private car, would be given over to rapid transit modes and personal pods. People would think you quite mad for suggesting it could instead be given over to a vehicle that has to travel at least half a mile between stops to be of any use to anyone not seeking to only travel between those stops.

The most radical change would be the opportunity to build an entirely fit for purpose, wholly dedicated freight network, for not just train and wagonload (intermodal), but also parcels/pallets. Perhaps a larger gauge, certainly higher, certainly heavier, it would serve all the major logistics hubs and ports, most of those being in rural areas. Automation and capacity from being a dedicated network with its own lines would ensure slower running speeds still allow for faster and more useful end to end runs than today, which should be enough to be of significant benefit to modern day logistics needs, which would still be dominated by road transport due to parallel advances in technology.

Oh, and of course, you would have ample reason to build extremely long single track passing loop scenic lines, since it would be readily accepted that this would be preferrable for providing access to tourists and exploit the scenery for economic gain, than the alternatives (allowing those views to be enjoyed only by those rich enough to own a private car and pay to use it in a national park).
 
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