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Ah those bad bays I am familiar with, having done Sydney to Katoomba on one. Pretty sure that I had a V back too, but memory isn't playing ball with me!

You have reminded me it's not far off 4 years since I did Sydney. I still remember the joy of stepping off the flight from Abu Dhabi in Brisbane, and walking outside from the international terminal to the Virgin Australia domestic terminal. The warmth was something beautiful that day, and it was just awesome.

One day I will return, of that I'm fast becoming certain! Oh, and I forgot to add, great photo!
 
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If you have spare time why don't you visit the Australian Railway Historical Society premises that are fairly close to Redfern station? Opening hours are on the Society website.

Buy a copy of the March 2023 'Railway Digest' magazine as it has interesting articles and excellent photos of operations throughout Australia.
 

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Interesting photos and videos so far!

I definitely don't think I could cope with the temperatures! (Anything above 18 is horrendous for me!)

Can't wait to see more.
 

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Interesting photos and videos so far!

I definitely don't think I could cope with the temperatures! (Anything above 18 is horrendous for me!)

Can't wait to see more.
Creasing with laughter at this, because the page went a bit funny as it loaded in an area of bad phone service, so the lines sort of blurred into one.

“horrendous photos and videos so far!” is what I initially saw :lol:

Thank you very much ;) You’re welcome to check out my Instagram if you want to see the full series of videos of Australia on my profile highlights “SYD” and “MEL,” as these have far more impressive captures which I can’t load onto the forum.

If you have spare time why don't you visit the Australian Railway Historical Society premises that are fairly close to Redfern station? Opening hours are on the Society website.

Buy a copy of the March 2023 'Railway Digest' magazine as it has interesting articles and excellent photos of operations throughout Australia.
Ahh, nice idea, I might do just that :)

Ah those bad bays I am familiar with, having done Sydney to Katoomba on one. Pretty sure that I had a V back too, but memory isn't playing ball with me!

You have reminded me it's not far off 4 years since I did Sydney. I still remember the joy of stepping off the flight from Abu Dhabi in Brisbane, and walking outside from the international terminal to the Virgin Australia domestic terminal. The warmth was something beautiful that day, and it was just awesome.

One day I will return, of that I'm fast becoming certain! Oh, and I forgot to add, great photo!
Thank you, and yes they are lovely trains that don’t show their age at all compared to other trains of the same age and manufacturer, for example the suburban K Sets which although fun look a bit like something out of 50s Germany inside. Unfortunately I don’t think they’ll be here when you return, as the D Sets are apparently due by May. They have seats rather similar to a BR350 Grammar, whereas the V Set seating is more like a leather/reversible BR170 seat.

I’ve obtained this cozy little private section in between the vestibule and up and down decks. Normally the middle section is much longer, but this is the one by the cab.

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Also, I captured it just as we picked up speed and they were flying away, but three wild white cockatoos with yellow heads were flying alongside the train for a bit when it was trundling along at low speed.

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Sure, Melbourne is a very nice city with trams on just about every street. Sydney is by far my favourite but I’m surely biased.

When I first went, I preferred Melbourne to Sydney. When I went the next time, roles reversed!

It will be interesting to see which I prefer on my next trip (as yet unplanned).
 

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Creasing with laughter at this, because the page went a bit funny as it loaded in an area of bad phone service, so the lines sort of blurred into one.

“horrendous photos and videos so far!” is what I initially saw :lol:

Thank you very much ;) You’re welcome to check out my Instagram if you want to see the full series of videos of Australia on my profile highlights “SYD” and “MEL,” as these have far more impressive captures which I can’t load onto the forum.
That's actually what I meant :D;)

I definitely will, Australia looks a lovely place. (Insects aside)
 

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I definitely will, Australia looks a lovely place. (Insects aside)
That’s at @sebtomsargent and you never really see any insects. As for snakes and big spiders, I’ve seen zero.
When I first went, I preferred Melbourne to Sydney. When I went the next time, roles reversed!

It will be interesting to see which I prefer on my next trip (as yet unplanned).
I found Melbourne quite a bit more like the UK in terms of climate and surroundings and buildings.
 

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To make the rainbow easier to see I increased the saturation of this photo which is why the trees look unnaturally green, sorry
Who cares, it's still spectacular!

And wow, Port Kembla is absolutely lovely. It has a great beach with incredible waves and good rock pools, and sat upon it is a wonderful, enormous saltwater pool overlooking the sea. It's got three separate smaller pools for children, but the main one is a fantastic 25m turquoise rectangle going from 1m at one end to about 2m at the other, half for lane swimmers and half for those just drifting around/relaxing. And entry is FREE. I was glad I had brought my trunks with me. A great swim was had in the lanes, very warm water, baking hot day, and then I took myself off to the sea for half an hour and enjoyed the ridiculously warm, clear water and the powerful waves.
That beach looks postcard perfect, but then 95% of beaches in Australia look postcard perfect. Either that or you are secretly an expert with photoshop? ;)

The driver appeared to be on drugs. Everyone was terrified and got off early as he screamed "WHEEEEEE!" and "Look at me fly, b**ches!" while going round roundabouts, he swung his arm in the air and shrieked "Tap on me!" when I asked where the tap on reader was, he did all kinds of things that were generally alarming.
I have no words... :lol:
 

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When I first went, I preferred Melbourne to Sydney. When I went the next time, roles reversed!
I remember reading in a book that historically Melbourne was arguably more important. Over 70% of foreign companies operating in Australia had a registered office in Melbourne but not Sydney into the mid-1990s and Melbourne used to be the financial capital of NSW?

Bit like Glasgow vs Edinburgh I suppose.

I believe the historic rivalry is partly why Canberra developed as a Federal capital.
 

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Honestly surprised it's not zoned, not that I'm complaining. A$16 cap including Newcastle/Lithgow/Bomaderry is crazy good, and half that on weekends, and cheaper still once I receive my student Opal!
It is. In Melbourne Metropolitan Zones are Zone 1 and Zone 2. Regional Zones are Zone 3 to Zone 13. Politics means the fare structure is a out of whack. A Z1 ticket costs the same as a Z1+2 Ticket. A Z2 ticket is cheaper.
From March 31 A Z1-13 and beyond to the paper ticket areas will be 9.20
 

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If you make it out of those two big city regions, I'd recommend two (cheap) discoveries we've found very recently.

Adelaide.. someone described it as Skelmerdale with Australians... I disagree totally.
- MacLaren Vale to Willunga walk via beautiful vineyards (train to Seaford, then bus / Uber) (£6)
- Cleland Wildlife Park (£13) huge estate with kangaroos, wallabies, bandicoots and feed them.

Brisbane.. Bribie Island, spectacular Red Beach (train to Caboolture, £4 then a bus £1.80 to Bellara, 4hr walk round the deserted south of the island to Woorim).
 

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If you make it out of those two big city regions, I'd recommend two (cheap) discoveries we've found very recently.

Adelaide.. someone described it as Skelmerdale with Australians... I disagree totally.
- MacLaren Vale to Willunga walk via beautiful vineyards (train to Seaford, then bus / Uber) (£6)
- Cleland Wildlife Park (£13) huge estate with kangaroos, wallabies, bandicoots and feed them.

Brisbane.. Bribie Island, spectacular Red Beach (train to Caboolture, £4 then a bus £1.80 to Bellara, 4hr walk round the deserted south of the island to Woorim).
Brisbane is definitely happening, I just haven’t decided when yet :)
 

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Added some photos there. As I said, all were days out done on the cheap.

We did Sydney - Brisbane 2nts on a cruise ship for £230 (total for 2), outside cabin with balcony, all food inc but no booze. Enjoy :)
 

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Added some photos there. As I said, all were days out done on the cheap.

We did Sydney - Brisbane 2nts on a cruise ship for £230 (total for 2), outside cabin with balcony, all food inc but no booze. Enjoy :)
DON’T. WHAT. Where can I find this?!!!!! I’ll definitely look at that, what an incredible price! I don’t drink that much anyway during the day.
 

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It was Princess Cruises - only on occasional dates though, book through an agent, it's a lot cheaper than directly with them. There's a few companies doing the route. We came back from Brissy via NSW Coachlink to Casino, stayed overnight in the wild west-esque town, then the (dreaded) Xpt, albeit 3 hrs shorter from Casino (more comfortable 8.30am departure) back to Sydney.
 

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Thanks for the thread. Very interested in it, I’m visiting Australia in September so it’s giving me some ideas!

Do you know when this year the V trains should go, please?

For what it’s worth my plan is to pack a lot in rather than stay too long in each place - so I’ll have to be selective! I’m also a HST crank, so will want to add in several XPT rides….
 

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Melbourne isn't in New South Wales, it is in Victoria.
Yes, sorry I think I cut too much out and lost the correct sense.

Originally part of New South Wales colony, then obviously Victoria was split off.

Melbourne housed the Parliament of the new Commonwealth of Australia and the government until 1927.

Melbourne was the financial heart of Australia until relatively recent times and many government institutions were based there even after Canberra became the federal capital in 1927.
 

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Also, I captured it just as we picked up speed and they were flying away, but three wild white cockatoos with yellow heads were flying alongside the train for a bit when it was trundling along at low speed.

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Good photo: sulphur-crested cockatoos, common along the east coast including in urban areas but also found in northwest WA. Noisy with loud screeches. Will take food from humans, so has adapted to urbanity: many are kept as pets.

The 'head' you saw is a crest that rises when the bird wants to chat to others, or scare other birds:

 

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Melbourne was the financial heart of Australia until relatively recent times and many government institutions were based there even after Canberra became the federal capital in 1927.
Sat on the train to Canberra right now! Good chance to write next report, I guess :)

Thanks for the thread. Very interested in it, I’m visiting Australia in September so it’s giving me some ideas!

Do you know when this year the V trains should go, please?

For what it’s worth my plan is to pack a lot in rather than stay too long in each place - so I’ll have to be selective! I’m also a HST crank, so will want to add in several XPT rides….
You’re so very welcome. Around May is when I’ve heard they’ll start to go.
The XPT is very comfy, I’m currently sat on the Xplorer which has an identical interior but fewer coaches.
 

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Day 13: Tangara to beautiful Cronulla, Boat to Bundeena, Happy times.

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Another blissfully hot day had me wanting to go to the coast for a walk along the beach, but having done Bondi and with plans to visit also famous Manly, Balmoral and Bronte beaches also close to the city centre, I decided to opt for something a little further out, and so I went for Cronulla, probably as far south as you can go while still getting away with calling the area Sydney.

This meant popping up to Redfern and transferring to the low-level platforms for the T4 Eastern Suburbs line, where it didn’t take long for a pair of T Sets to slip in. Yes, you’ve guessed it, the Tangara’s windows were (as usual) very dirty, but I actually managed to see out of these ones and the views were really quite nice.

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I also settled myself down with my laptop and got busy writing a trip report – I think it was the Bondi one. The Tangaras provide the stopping service for the route, alongside fast OSCARs that work the Intercities down to Kiama as far as Sutherland, where the line branches off towards Cronulla. All in all, the journey took about an hour.

Cronulla station is located on a single track, but due to extreme popularity of the seaside town in the summer, it has been constructed with a platform length of just over the equivalent of 16 Tangara carriages, so that two pairs of T Sets can share it at the same time. The installation of a loop bypassing half of the platform and rejoining it halfway along (like Penryn but a far longer platform) means the two platform halves can work entirely independently from each other. It’s a nice station, and the Tangaras looked good in the sunny weather. You’d never think they date back to the 80s. They’re a similar age to Class 455s but look far more modern – and of course have air con!

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A stroll from Cronulla station to the coast is about ten minutes tops and takes you through a lovely main street where I enjoyed a really lovely juice from a beautiful juice bar and farmers market before reaching the sea. Something about Cronulla is that it has absolutely tonnes of beaches, so I didn’t stop at the first – I had a walk for about ¾ mile and I’m so glad I did because it just got nicer the further I went. The main busy beaches were very pretty and had lots of wonderful pools built in the shallow waters of the sea, filled by the seawater and delightfully showered by the monstrous waves every time the tide came in.

But the real stars were the secret, quiet coves tucked away in the more private areas, close to the beautiful seafront houses. How lucky people are to live in such a place. I fell in love with Cronulla instantly, so much that I did not want to choose a single spot to sit down and brave the sea, but rather I kept walking in the sun and blissful heat and took in the charming atmosphere of the town.

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Shortly after, I headed back towards the station and passed under the railway to access the sweet little Cronulla Marina, a small but pretty wharf from where I was greeted with a charming green and yellow boat that would take passengers across to Bundeena. I boarded with a very reasonable fare of $8 return and took a seat on the outside deck at the front. I had this to myself and enjoyed an absolutely blissful half-hour’s sail alongside many stunning beaches, past tiny green islands and across to Bundeena.

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I know what you’re going to say, and there are reasons for the socks and sliders:
1) I had trainers in my bag and having been on Cronulla beach the sliders were easier to shove back on
2) Without the socks the sliders rub and blister me
3) I couldn’t take that pic without them; I’m 19 and I’m not risking some rando sticking me on Only Fans :P The BBC would never take me on then, and neither will TNF for sports modelling ;)

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Well, I don’t think Bundeena is an island, but a remote tropical island in the middle of nowhere is exactly what it looked like, and I remember as I stepped off the boat and gazed around I felt almost a little emotional with gratitude, feeling so lucky to be somewhere so incredible. That sounds so swearwording cheesy and corny, and I’m not one to be cringey really, but I can’t explain to you how special it felt. The small yet beautiful beach was all but empty, the sky was blue, the waters calm, and I just felt like I had arrived at my own little Australian paradise. I can tell you now, though I’ll have to return to Cardiff for third year if I want to graduate, should I manage to secure a job at BBC Australia or the ABC then I’d absolutely love to move to Cronulla & Bundeena, or Port Kembla. I’ve been to thirty-two countries, or thirty-four if you count Lanzarote and Fuerteventura as somewhat separate from mainland Spain, and Australia is the first one where I’ve really felt as though I could live there permanently.

Anyway, emotion aside and onto hunger, just above the little lonely pier was a small café and a little supermarket, so a Red Bull was obtained from the latter (ice cold, perfect for such a hot day) and an exceptional fish burger from the former, crispy fresh-caught Australian fish in a toasted bun with lettuce, Spanish onion, cucumber and tartare sauce, served with without-doubt the best fries I’ve ever had. I carried these back to the wharf and ate them on my private little beach, before having a little knee deep paddle in the lusciously clear waters. I spent about an hour and a half just relaxing there for a while, enjoying the privacy and quality ME time before getting the last boat back. I have a mate in Cronulla so we met for the evening and had a chat while he showed me around the other half of the darkened city as night fell, before I headed back to the station and another pair of Tangaras (and a rail replacement bus with a thankfully drug-free driver) took me home.

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Not a very interesting report if you’re most concerned by the trains, but it was a really nice day and I thought it worth telling. I really do recommend a visit to Cronulla for a hot day if you’re in Sydney during summer.

Writing this on a service that I’m not at all happy to be on. Find out more about that in the upcoming Canberra report. Next report (I think): XPT sightings at Hornsby, the Secret Garden & Cockatoo Island. Thanks for reading.
 
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Good photo: sulphur-crested cockatoos, common along the east coast including in urban areas but also found in northwest WA. Noisy with loud screeches. Will take food from humans, so has adapted to urbanity: many are kept as pets.

The 'head' you saw is a crest that rises when the bird wants to chat to others, or scare other birds:

Will also open bins and chew the hell out of anything.
 

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Day 13: Tangara to beautiful Cronulla, Boat to Bundeena, Happy times.

;) Well, I don’t think Bundeena is an island, but a remote tropical island in the middle of nowhere is exactly what it looked like, and I remember as I stepped off the boat and gazed around I felt almost a little emotional with gratitude, feeling so lucky to be somewhere so incredible. That sounds so swearwording cheesy and corny, and I’m not one to be cringey really, but I can’t explain to you how special it felt. The small yet beautiful beach was all but empty, the sky was blue, the waters calm, and I just felt like I had arrived at my own little Australian paradise. I can tell you now, though I’ll have to return to Cardiff for third year if I want to graduate, should I manage to secure a job at BBC Australia or the ABC then I’d absolutely love to move to Cronulla & Bundeena, or Port Kembla. I’ve been to thirty-two countries, or thirty-four if you count Lanzarote and Fuerteventura as somewhat separate from mainland Spain, and Australia is the first one where I’ve really felt as though I could live there permanently.

Anyway, emotion aside and onto hunger, just above the little lonely pier was a small café and a little supermarket, so a Red Bull was obtained from the latter (ice cold, perfect for such a hot day) and an exceptional fish burger from the former, crispy fresh-caught Australian fish in a toasted bun with lettuce, Spanish onion, cucumber and tartare sauce, served with without-doubt the best fries I’ve ever had. I carried these back to the wharf and ate them on my private little beach, before having a little knee deep paddle in the lusciously clear waters. I spent about an hour and a half just relaxing there for a while, enjoying the privacy and quality ME time before getting the last boat back.

- Nooo, don’t take me away!!!

Excellent report, but before you make plans about international migration, be aware Oz is (despite having the Pacific peso) a high cost nation in which to live (especially with housing be it owner occupier or renting in the major urban areas) and it's also a very rules-based society, as various overseas visitors from Asia have said to me.

You may be happy with that, and millions of Poms have migrated to Australia over the years 'for a better life', but treat your university exchange as a way to also find aspects you may not like. Are our social mores agreeable to you?

Would you like being thousands of kilometres from family and UK friends? Video calls are fine but some suggest they have their limits. Only you can judge this.

Bundeena is not an island, but near Loftus railway station in The Royal National Park is the Sydney Tramway Museum.
 

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Some incredibly gorgeous scenery there! :wub:

I wondered why you covered most of your face in that selfie, then I saw your mention of modelling sports clothing. I guess that made sense then! Probably a good shout protecting oneself from Only Fans, I've heard of it and it sounded very, well, creepy from what I got told of it!

It's fair to say you've seen a lot of Australia so far, and I'd have to agree with railfan99 here. It might seem like an ideal place to live right now, but do have a good long think about that first. You sure wouldn't want to do it then regret it a few months later! I don't want to crush your enthusiasm for it, quite the opposite. If at the end of your university placement you still feel the same, then by all means look into it all. It takes some bravado to up sticks and move to another country, let alone going to the other side of the world, so kudos for doing it even just for your placement!

End of the day, you have to listen to your 'gut feeling'. If it's strong enough to be impossible to resist, then you'll know what the decision is. Personally, I think I'd have to, if I was in your position, return to the UK first before I could make that decision. One big reason for me would be family, as much as mine can annoy the living daylights out of me then I couldn't not discuss it all with them first. Even if you decided it was happening, and to be honest I don't think I could blame you for making that decision, before leaving Australia at the end of the placement, for me this would not be the sort of news to tell someone on the phone. This would be very much face-to-face news, in person, and not on a video call or whatever.

Not to mention of course that as railfan99 says, it is an expensive part of the world!

Final thought for now, while you're in that part of the world, are you taking in any of New Zealand?
 

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Another blissfully hot day had me wanting to go to the coast for a walk along the beach, but having done Bondi and with plans to visit also famous Manly, Balmoral and Bronte beaches also close to the city centre, I decided to opt for something a little further out, and so I went for Cronulla, probably as far south as you can go while still getting away with calling the area Sydney.
Got to love all the names for the beaches! 'Manly' ;)

Is the sea and sky truly that blue? Evety photo you've taken with one or the other or both has such an intensity of blue it's unreal.

Well, I don’t think Bundeena is an island, but a remote tropical island in the middle of nowhere is exactly what it looked like, and I remember as I stepped off the boat and gazed around I felt almost a little emotional with gratitude, feeling so lucky to be somewhere so incredible.
Regardless, it looks like the paradise one dreams of. The sort of 'textbook' representation in films.

fish burger from the former, crispy fresh-caught Australian fish in a toasted bun with lettuce, Spanish onion, cucumber and tartare sauce, served with without-doubt the best fries I’ve ever had.
That sounds good; thank you for making me hungry! :lol:

these look like double-deck class 303s
Personally, they remind me more of VB2Ns. Similar age too I think.

are you taking in any of New Zealand?
+1 for New Zealand, another amazing country and quite a different landscape to Australia of course.
 

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Excellent report, but before you make plans about international migration, be aware Oz is (despite having the Pacific peso) a high cost nation in which to live (especially with housing be it owner occupier or renting in the major urban areas) and it's also a very rules-based society, as various overseas visitors from Asia have said to me.

You may be happy with that, and millions of Poms have migrated to Australia over the years 'for a better life', but treat your university exchange as a way to also find aspects you may not like. Are our social mores agreeable to you?

Would you like being thousands of kilometres from family and UK friends? Video calls are fine but some suggest they have their limits. Only you can judge this.

Bundeena is not an island, but near Loftus railway station in The Royal National Park is the Sydney Tramway Museum.
Thank you very much and yes you’re right of course. I’ve actually spoken with my mum and she’d be down for coming too :lol: We actually have family in Australia on both sides, though not Sydney.

Some incredibly gorgeous scenery there! :wub:

I wondered why you covered most of your face in that selfie, then I saw your mention of modelling sports clothing. I guess that made sense then! Probably a good shout protecting oneself from Only Fans, I've heard of it and it sounded very, well, creepy from what I got told of it!

It's fair to say you've seen a lot of Australia so far, and I'd have to agree with railfan99 here. It might seem like an ideal place to live right now, but do have a good long think about that first. You sure wouldn't want to do it then regret it a few months later! I don't want to crush your enthusiasm for it, quite the opposite. If at the end of your university placement you still feel the same, then by all means look into it all. It takes some bravado to up sticks and move to another country, let alone going to the other side of the world, so kudos for doing it even just for your placement!

End of the day, you have to listen to your 'gut feeling'. If it's strong enough to be impossible to resist, then you'll know what the decision is. Personally, I think I'd have to, if I was in your position, return to the UK first before I could make that decision. One big reason for me would be family, as much as mine can annoy the living daylights out of me then I couldn't not discuss it all with them first. Even if you decided it was happening, and to be honest I don't think I could blame you for making that decision, before leaving Australia at the end of the placement, for me this would not be the sort of news to tell someone on the phone. This would be very much face-to-face news, in person, and not on a video call or whatever.

Not to mention of course that as railfan99 says, it is an expensive part of the world!

Final thought for now, while you're in that part of the world, are you taking in any of New Zealand?
Actually I covered my face because I wasn’t looking great that day ahah. My mum wants to move here anyway, has for a while.

Still that’s all pie in the sky while I’m at a British uni.

I am indeed going to New Zealand, with a VERY special way of getting home (I wont ruin the surprise) ;) for that, and I’ll be staying with my great-aunt in Wellington. Auckland first, then scenic train to Wellington, Picton ferry, then probably train to Christchurch before going back.

Got to love all the names for the beaches! 'Manly' ;)

Is the sea and sky truly that blue? Evety photo you've taken with one or the other or both has such an intensity of blue it's unreal.


Regardless, it looks like the paradise one dreams of. The sort of 'textbook' representation in films.


That sounds good; thank you for making me hungry! :lol:


Personally, they remind me more of VB2Ns. Similar age too I think.


+1 for New Zealand, another amazing country and quite a different landscape to Australia of course.
The sea is such a wonderful range of turquoises. It’s boring dark blue like jeans in Europe. The fish burger was incredible and right now I’ve been trying to order Uber Eats (2:10am) but it’s playing up.

Trust me, as long as I don’t lose the deal, New Zealand will be worth it ;)
 

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I am already excited to read your tales from New Zealand, it sounds like an epic trip is potentially coming! Good news on your family being interested in moving too, that will make things easier!
 
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