Northern Unit Refurbishments and depot allocations.

[Neptune]

Will Northern be reforming any more class 150's into three car hybrids or will 003-006 be the only ones?

No these are the only ones.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Huddersfield to Sheffield is best bet.

During the daytime you're unlikely to get a non-hybrid 3-car on that route. The purpose-built centre cars are a bit longer than driving cars, which affects signal sightings at Huddersfield P2. Hence 001 and 002 are only likely to show up early mornings or late evenings (or the tea-time extra) as they have to use platform 4.

 

[59CosG95]

I saw on LinkedIn that all Richmond units (151 in total) have had their flat cloth changed for moquette.

 

[Adam0984]

During the daytime you're unlikely to get a non-hybrid 3-car on that route. The purpose-built centre cars are a bit longer than driving cars, which affects signal sightings at Huddersfield P2. Hence 001 and 002 are only likely to show up early mornings or late evenings (or the tea-time extra) as they have to use platform 4.

The problem has being fixed and all the 3 cars can use platform 2 at Huddersfield

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The problem has being fixed and all the 3 cars can use platform 2 at Huddersfield

Good to know, thanks.

Also need to correct an error in my previous post- the issue was the TPWS loop, not signal sightings.

 

[jonesy3001]

Could this be 156409 or another unit?

Realtime Trains | 5J81 0804 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Newton Heath T.M.D. | 25/02/2023

Real-time train running information for 5J81 0804 departure from Wolverton Centre Sidings to Newton Heath T.M.D. on 25/02/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Jamesrob637]

Could this be 156409 or another unit?

Realtime Trains | 5J81 0804 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Newton Heath T.M.D. | 25/02/2023

Real-time train running information for 5J81 0804 departure from Wolverton Centre Sidings to Newton Heath T.M.D. on 25/02/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

We'll never know as it was cancelled.

 

[sbrignall72]

Does anyone know which class 170 returned from Crewe today, saw it go past whilst I was in Leeds bus station about 1245. MTIA

 

[ls2270]

Does anyone know which class 170 returned from Crewe today, saw it go past whilst I was in Leeds bus station about 1245. MTIA

It was 170472

 

[sbrignall72]

It was 170472

Thank you

 

[pokemonsuper9]

150145 from Newton Heath to Wolverton Works this morning

Any update on 145?
It doesn't seem to have been mentioned on the forums since

 

[diligentdave]

Any update on 145?
It doesn't seem to have been mentioned on the forums since

Currently not due out of Wolverton until end of May.

 

[Versa274]

This might be slightly off topic but I observed in BR 2023 loco and coaching stock book that 2 Northern class 150s are now in Wales (269/270)
Are they permanently there or on loan or maybe just an error in the book

 

[pokemonsuper9]

or maybe just an error in the book

Realtime Trains | 2E40 1541 Cardiff Central to Bridgend | 06/03/2023

Real-time train running information for 2E40 1541 departure from Cardiff Central to Bridgend on 06/03/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

There's 270, 269 wasn't showing but I've heard in other places that there's 2 Northern 150s in Wales.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

This might be slightly off topic but I observed in BR 2023 loco and coaching stock book that 2 Northern class 150s are now in Wales (269/270)
Are they permanently there or on loan or maybe just an error in the book

They are there on temporary lease, but unknown time for the end of lease yet, depends on the 2 x fire damaged 150s being repaired.

 

[507020]

They are there on temporary lease, but unknown time for the end of lease yet, depends on the 2 x fire damaged 150s being repaired.

The 2 fire damaged 150s will most likely be scrapped, as TfW will likely have started sending 150s off lease by the time repairs could possibly be complete.

My money is on 150269/270 and one other going from TfW straight to the Marston Vale, not back to Northern.

 

[43096]

This might be slightly off topic but I observed in BR 2023 loco and coaching stock book that 2 Northern class 150s are now in Wales (269/270)
Are they permanently there or on loan or maybe just an error in the book

They are with TfW, sub-leased from Northern.

 

[Ribbleman]

The 2 fire damaged 150s will most likely be scrapped, as TfW will likely have started sending 150s off lease by the time repairs could possibly be complete.

My money is on 150269/270 and one other going from TfW straight to the Marston Vale, not back to Northern.

Not likely as 269 and 270 are now expected to remain with TfW until the end of the year. Northern sources are saying that once the deal is approved by DfT that 3 x Class 150/1 will be sub-leased to WMT. Hopes are that crew training can be complete to restart Bedford - Bletchley trains in May.

 

[507020]

Not likely as 269 and 270 are now expected to remain with TfW until the end of the year. Northern sources are saying that once the deal is approved by DfT that 3 x Class 150/1 will be sub-leased to WMT. Hopes are that crew training can be complete to restart Bedford - Bletchley trains in May.

Obviously it’s good news if Bedford - Bletchley can be restarted before East-West Rail opens and the return of 150s from somewhere is the logical decision.

However, I don’t understand how Northern can spare another 3 with 269/270 already away. Logically the 150s for Bedford - Bletchley should come from TfW, where they are being released by the new 197s etc. Otherwise Northern will need more 156/158s from EMR or the TfW 769s to maintain capacity until Stalybridge/Westhoughton electrification.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

The 2 fire damaged 150s will most likely be scrapped, as TfW will likely have started sending 150s off lease by the time repairs could possibly be complete.

My money is on 150269/270 and one other going from TfW straight to the Marston Vale, not back to Northern.

Funnily enough, TfW have started repairs on them through Chrysalis at Landore. How long it will take, I don't know.

 

[507020]

Funnily enough, TfW have started repairs on them through Chrysalis at Landore. How long it will take, I don't know.

Why on Earth are they being repaired if the 158 and 159 damaged in the Salisbury collision aren’t, when they potentially have another 10 more years of service left in them than a pair of 150s?

 

[LOL The Irony]

Why on Earth are they being repaired if the 158 and 159 damaged in the Salisbury collision aren’t, when they potentially have another 10 more years of service left in them than a pair of 150s?

Maybe because the damage to them was structural and the damage to the 150s was mostly cosmetic/replaceable bits?

 

[alexl92]

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[Liam L]

Why on Earth are they being repaired if the 158 and 159 damaged in the Salisbury collision aren’t, when they potentially have another 10 more years of service left in them than a pair of 150s?

I’d imagine it was leasing company which wrote off the 158 and 159 which were involved in Salisbury.

With the TFW 150s, they last stock due to back to leasing company and I’d imagine the leasing company want them back in working order once TFW are finished with them.

 

[skyhigh]

Why on Earth are they being repaired if the 158 and 159 damaged in the Salisbury collision aren’t

The damage to the vehicles at Sailsbury was major (and structural). The damage to the 150s is relatively minor in comparison.

 

[158722]

There are of course at least four soon to be off lease EMR 156s, plus the four Angel ones in store at Ely, which could go to Northern to allow some 150s to be loaned/sub-leased for the Marston Vale services.

 

[Ribbleman]

There are of course at least four soon to be off lease EMR 156s, plus the four Angel ones in store at Ely, which could go to Northern to allow some 150s to be loaned/sub-leased for the Marston Vale services.

Given the DfT’s determination to reduce costs across all TOCs, it is more likely that some Northern services will be reduced to 1 x 2-car rather than 2 x 2-car in order to free the 3 x 150/1 units to be sub-leased to WMT.

 

[SCFC14]

I saw on LinkedIn that all Richmond units (151 in total) have had their flat cloth changed for moquette.

Indeed they have.

26,798 flat cloth seat covers replaced in 151 units (390 vehicles) comprising 16 miles of maquette and 93.2 miles of velcro over 13 months.

 

[td97]

Northern claim their digital train modification programme is complete. Which is interesting, as the ex-EMR 156s most certainly do not include onboard WiFi or USB charging sockets.

183,000 hours and 725 kilometres of electric cable later - Northern’s £multi-million 'digital train' makeover programme is COMPLETE! | Northern News

Northern is celebrating the completion of a three-year project to improve on-board technology for customers using the train operator’s services across the North of England.

media.northernrailway.co.uk

 

[507020]

Northern claim their digital train modification programme is complete. Which is interesting, as the ex-EMR 156s most certainly do not include onboard WiFi or USB charging sockets.

And they aren’t the only ones without.