Fleets Introduced And Withdrawn During The Same Franchise

[Kneedown]

Probably going out on a limb here but, Class 121 "Bubblecar", and Class 66 with EMT. Introduced for diversionary route learning and refresh prior to Nottingham, and Derby resignalling, with EMT Drivers working them.

 

[AM9]

They’ve been introduced technically

The OP referred to the Chiltern class 172s a: "It is one of the few fleets I can think of that were fully introduced by a TOC and then fully withdrawn during the same franchise." which is a lot more than the class 769s with their mileage accumulation runs, driver training runs and test runs when modifications were tried out. To date, no farepaying passenger has travelled on the 769/9s delivered to GWR so they are not "fully introduced".

 

[gledhill56]

The OP referred to the Chiltern class 172s a: "It is one of the few fleets I can think of that were fully introduced by a TOC and then fully withdrawn during the same franchise." which is a lot more than the class 769s with their mileage accumulation runs, driver training runs and test runs when modifications were tried out. To date, no farepaying passenger has travelled on the 769/9s delivered to GWR so they are not "fully introduced".

And to counter claim your quote:
“The rules are that the entire fleet has to be introduced by the same TOC that withdraws it or transfers it to another operator”

 

[12LDA28C]

Probably going out on a limb here but, Class 121 "Bubblecar", and Class 66 with EMT. Introduced for diversionary route learning and refresh prior to Nottingham, and Derby resignalling, with EMT Drivers working them.

Surely neither of those count. Not only were they hired in from another TOC / FOC and so never formed part of the EMT fleet, they never carried fare-paying passengers, nor were they meant to.

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The Chiltern Class 172s were withdrawn in 2021 and were transferred to WMR.

Would the CR 'bubble cars' not also qualify? Both now in preservation having been withdrawn in 2017.

 

[AM9]

And to counter claim your quote:
“The rules are that the entire fleet has to be introduced by the same TOC that withdraws it or transfers it to another operator”

Nope, as @D365 says, "Definitely not introduced into service!" which in terms of introdued status is the same currently as class 701(although they will probably eventually get to revenue service). I have been a supporter of the 769s here but I can't pretend that the GWR /9 subclass has been introduced into service, has run to any public timetable as a class 1 or 2 journey or carried any passengers like every other valid example in this thread, and when they are formally removed form the GWR's wish list, they will effectively be a non-event as far as this thread goes.

 

[Doomotron]

Surely neither of those count. Not only were they hired in from another TOC / FOC and so never formed part of the EMT fleet, they never carried fare-paying passengers, nor were they meant to.

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Would the CR 'bubble cars' not also qualify? Both now in preservation having been withdrawn in 2017.

Depends on when they were introduced. If they were inherited by Chiltern then it can't count, but if they were transferred to them then it does.

 

[gledhill56]

Nope, as @D365 says, "Definitely not introduced into service!" which in terms of introdued status is the same currently as class 701(although they will probably eventually get to revenue service). I have been a supporter of the 769s here but I can't pretend that the GWR /9 subclass has been introduced into service, has run to any public timetable as a class 1 or 2 journey or carried any passengers like every other valid example in this thread, and when they are formally removed form the GWR's wish list, they will effectively be a non-event as far as this thread goes.

I did say it as a joke hence the smiley face but clearly you haven’t got a sense of humour.

 

[AM9]

I did say it as a joke hence the smiley face but clearly you haven’t got a sense of humour.

I did notice but you seem so determined to keep pushing your 'joke' that it needed to be corrected. Still, - fixed that now.

 

[WizCastro197]

Cant really count Southerns 170s

Partial withdrawal only, so they haven't been fully pulled.

 

[Efini92]

Class 57’s with Virgin.