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Southern Daysave - what's the catch?

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I've been looking to go on days out with the family in the summer, to places on the Southern network like Southampton, Portsmouth, Brighten, Lewes, Hastings etc.

Off-peak returns are about £30 to £50. But I've just come across the Southern Daysave, which is £22. is that a loophole of some kind?
 
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Off-peak returns are about £30 to £50. But I've just come across the Southern Daysave, which is £22. is that a loophole of some kind?
No, but it's essentially only valid on Southern services, and as @Sonic1234 has just advised, it's not a walk up ticket and so has to be booked online several days in advance. Can also be bought in person from the following Tourist Information Centres:-

Eastbourne
Lewes
Hastings
Seaford

Normally there's no refunds or exchanges permitted.
 

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No, but it's essentially only valid on Southern services, and as @Sonic1234 has just advised, it's not a walk up ticket and so has to be booked online several days in advance. Can also be bought in person from the following Tourist Information Centres:-

Eastbourne
Lewes
Hastings
Seaford

Normally there's no refunds or exchanges permitted.

Ah OK, would an advance ticket normally not have a refund too?
 

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Ah OK, would an advance ticket normally not have a refund too?
Not normally, unless the train you're booked on is cancelled, if your plans change, advances might be exchangeable, sometimes for a fee, sometimes not.

Just to re-iterate, once they're booked, normally there's no refunds possible on Southern Daysave tickets.
 

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Yes you definitely cannot get a refund even in the event of disruption.

I asked for a refund for a day when cable theft caused huge delays and cancellations in and around Croydon. Southern refused on the basis that some of their trains were still running and I could have used them.
 

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Off-peak returns are about £30 to £50. But I've just come across the Southern Daysave, which is £22. is that a loophole of some kind?
Off Peak day returns on the Southern network are quite a lot cheaper from stations outside the London Zone 6 boundary than they are from stations inside it.

For example, Redhill (or Gatwick Airport) to Southampton via Barnham costs £18.20 for an off-peak day return. East Croydon to Southampton via Barnham costs £29.80 for an off-peak day return. A railcard discount can be applied to such tickets, which isn't possible with Southern Daysave.
 

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Yes you definitely cannot get a refund even in the event of disruption.

I asked for a refund for a day when cable theft caused huge delays and cancellations in and around Croydon. Southern refused on the basis that some of their trains were still running and I could have used them.
GTR were wrong to reject your refund claim. All tickets other than season tickets are refundable if you abandon your journey in the event of disruption. I have had no difficulties obtaining such refunds for other rangers and rovers in the past.

The fact that you could have used alternative trains is neither here nor there; the NRCoT entitle you to return your ticket for a refund in these circumstances.
 

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Off Peak day returns on the Southern network are quite a lot cheaper from stations outside the London Zone 6 boundary than they are from stations inside it.

For example, Redhill (or Gatwick Airport) to Southampton via Barnham costs £18.20 for an off-peak day return. East Croydon to Southampton via Barnham costs £29.80 for an off-peak day return. A railcard discount can be applied to such tickets, which isn't possible with Southern Daysave.
And an East Croydon to Gatwick Airport off-peak day return costs just £7.20 (or £6.20 if you use Thameslink only).
 

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The Southern Day Save ticket, is a really good value rover, which really recommend getting, as it offers Southern network, wide travel, with unlimited usage at the weekend, which I made good use of last time, doing about 16 hours of travel, left Victoria about 6.30am and finished Victoria about 10pm, visiting Southampton, Uckfield, Hove, Eastbourne.

There are not really any catches on getting the Day Save ticket, apart from the having to purchase, no later than 3 days before travel, which may mean wasting ticket, if not able to go, but at £22 its not large amount to lose, and if there is disruption on the day, with its Southern network wide validity, its not too hard to work around the disruption.
 

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Just to add that you can purchase it on the day at these four places:

• Eastbourne Tourist Information Centre
• Hastings Tourist Information Centre
• Lewes Tourist Information Centre
• Seaford Tourist Information Centre

But otherwise it can only be bought at least three days in advance from the Southern Rail website.
 

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Just to add that you can purchase it on the day at these four places:

• Eastbourne Tourist Information Centre
• Hastings Tourist Information Centre
• Lewes Tourist Information Centre
• Seaford Tourist Information Centre

But otherwise it can only be bought at least three days in advance from the Southern Rail website.
I wonder what will happen if someone arrives at one of those Tourist centres and asks for one. Will the person behind the desk know what they are on about? Or will they get brushed off with a "sorry I haven't been shown" or "we haven't got any left" excuses.
 

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I wonder what will happen if someone arrives at one of those Tourist centres and asks for one. Will the person behind the desk know what they are on about? Or will they get brushed off with a "sorry I haven't been shown" or "we haven't got any left" excuses.
They have been selling them for many years, so that would be rather surprising.
 

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Yes you definitely cannot get a refund even in the event of disruption.

I asked for a refund for a day when cable theft caused huge delays and cancellations in and around Croydon. Southern refused on the basis that some of their trains were still running and I could have used them.
Did you claim delay repay?
 

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I wonder what will happen if someone arrives at one of those Tourist centres and asks for one. Will the person behind the desk know what they are on about? Or will they get brushed off with a "sorry I haven't been shown" or "we haven't got any left" excuses.

Except for Hastings, they also sell Brighton & Hove Buses Saver scratch-off tickets, so they seem to be pretty public transport-friendly.
 

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Can't remember what the off peak times are but I vaguely remember a daysave is only valid after 10.00 M-F ? No restrictions on weekends/bank holidays
Indeed. During the Monday to Friday period (BHX) the Southern Daysave product is not valid before 10:00, or on trains that leave the following principal stations between 16:15 and 19:15:

East Croydon;
Victoria;
London Bridge;
Clapham Junction.

Not unreasonable restrictions, IMHO.

Also, I don't think a daysave is valid on GatEx services to Brighton (?)
Possibly not, but that's a different (and much discussed elsewhere on here) can of worms. Can normally get to Brighton by instead travelling via Hove or Lewes.
 

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No, but it's essentially only valid on Southern services, and as @Sonic1234 has just advised, it's not a walk up ticket and so has to be booked online several days in advance. Can also be bought in person from the following Tourist Information Centres:-

Eastbourne
Lewes
Hastings
Seaford

Normally there's no refunds or exchanges permitted.

What stock is the Southern Daysave issued on ? I am presuming these TIC's can not issue magnetic strip CCST. Can they print Aztec ?
 

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I wonder what will happen if someone arrives at one of those Tourist centres and asks for one. Will the person behind the desk know what they are on about? Or will they get brushed off with a "sorry I haven't been shown" or "we haven't got any left" excuses.
I always buy the Southern Daysave at the Lewes Tourist Information Centre very regularly (at least once a month and often even more frequently) and everyone working there knows how to issue it and issues it without any issue. The staff at the Lewes Tourist Information Centre are very helpful there. They have been selling it there for over twenty years since the Connex South Central days so they are very familiar with it. You will have no issue buying it there. Eastbourne Tourist Information Centre and Hastings Tourist Information Centre and Seaford Tourist Information Centre have also had no trouble issuing them either on the very few occasions when i have bought them there.

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What stock is the Southern Daysave issued on ? I am presuming these TIC's can not issue magnetic strip CCST. Can they print Aztec ?
They print them on the standard National Rail orange CCST magnetic strip RSP9599 ticket stock. The tourist information centres have the same normal printers that the railway station ticket offices have. So the tickets are the same as from any ticket office. Just standard card sized tickets.
 

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Just to add that you can purchase it on the day at these four places:

• Eastbourne Tourist Information Centre
• Hastings Tourist Information Centre
• Lewes Tourist Information Centre
• Seaford Tourist Information Centre

But otherwise it can only be bought at least three days in advance from the Southern Rail website.

What's the rationale for only these (smaller) places selling on the day, but elsewhere not? I might use it and make extra trips from time to time if it were more widely available at stations. (Can you get a railcard discount on it?)
 

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What's the rationale for only these (smaller) places selling on the day, but elsewhere not? I might use it and make extra trips from time to time if it were more widely available at stations. (Can you get a railcard discount on it?)
Yes it is a bit of inconvenient ticket to get. If you live near one of these four tourist information centres then it is perfect but otherwise it is very inconvenient. There used to be a few more places that sold. Brighton One Stop Travel and Brighton Tourist Information Centre both used to sell it too but they stopped a few years ago. There was a couple other tourist information centres that sold it too throughout Sussex but most have now stopped leaving just these four remaining.

I am not sure what the rationale is for having such few places to buy it. I suppose that Eaatbourne and Hastings and Lewes and Seaford are the only four remaining tourist information centres that wish to still sell it. But it would certainly be good if more did.

No you can not get a railcard discount. You have to pay the full price even if you have a railcard. It costs £22.00 online or £23.00 from any of the four tourist information centres.

There is still a group version of it available too. It costs £44.00 online or £46.00 from any of the four tourist information centres. This allows any four passengers (adults or children or a mixture) to travel. So with this you basically pay for two people and get two people free. So the group version is especially good value.

I do wonder if the Southern Daysave will be withdrawn eventually. There used to be an anytime version and a weekly version of the Southern Dayssave but these were both withdrawn a few years ago. There also used to be a Thameslink Daysave but that was withdrawn recently (and for the last few years that it was sold Dunstable Tourist Information Centre was the only place that sold it) so maybe the remaining Southern Daysave will be next to go.

It is a shame it is so difficult to get hold of. If it was easily available on the day from ticket offices then i could see it being very popular. It is a very useful ticket.
 

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One Stop Travel (the Brighton and Hove Bus Travel centre) no longer sells any rail tickets.
 

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One Stop Travel (the Brighton and Hove Bus Travel centre) no longer sells any rail tickets.
Yes indeed they have fully stopped selling rail tickets a couple years ago. The TVMs have been removed too. I am not sure why as it was a useful place right in the city centre to buy tickets. At one point they had two Southern Rail Shere TVMs in there and sold any rail tickets at the counter too. Also the nearby tourist information centre inside the gift shop next to the pavilion has now shut. The new one up the road no longer sells any rail tickets either. So getting a Southern Daysave in Brighton is impossible now both places have stopped dealing with rail tickets.
 

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So getting a Southern Daysave in Brighton is impossible now both places have stopped dealing with rail tickets.
Impossible? Reckon you can still collect one from Brighton station.

(Obviously the booking now needs to have been made three days in advance, rather than on the day).
 

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Impossible? Reckon you can still collect one from Brighton station.

(Obviously the booking now needs to have been made three days in advance, rather than on the day).
Well yes if you order it online three days in advance you can collect it. But if you need one on the day the only way to get one is to take a short train ride to Lewes (or Eastbourne or Hastings or Seaford if you prefer) to buy one. There is nowhere in Brighton selling it on the day any more. I do wish more places sold them on the day.
 

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Can't add much more than has been said about how to purchase this ticket, apart from my own experience late last year.

Purchased online, in advance of the date of travel. Picked up at local station, in Lincolnshire, using the delivery code. No issues, and printed out on card stock. It saved messing about when I arrived in London.
 

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Yes indeed they have fully stopped selling rail tickets a couple years ago. The TVMs have been removed too. I am not sure why as it was a useful place right in the city centre to buy tickets. At one point they had two Southern Rail Shere TVMs in there and sold any rail tickets at the counter too. Also the nearby tourist information centre inside the gift shop next to the pavilion has now shut. The new one up the road no longer sells any rail tickets either. So getting a Southern Daysave in Brighton is impossible now both places have stopped dealing with rail tickets.
Id suggest it was because Keygo replaced the majority of tickets sold there and it wasn't economic to maintain the equipment for the remaining niche tickets.
 

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What stock is the Southern Daysave issued on ? I am presuming these TIC's can not issue magnetic strip CCST. Can they print Aztec ?

They print them on the standard National Rail orange CCST magnetic strip RSP9599 ticket stock. The tourist information centres have the same normal printers that the railway station ticket offices have. So the tickets are the same as from any ticket office. Just standard card sized tickets.

Thank you. I am surprised that these TIC's have expensive CCST printers / magnetic strip writers just to issue these Daysave tickets. Or do they sell other rail tickets which of course requires training even just for all of Southern / ThamesLink as far as London / Gatwick Express and maybe South Eastern ?
 

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I am surprised that these TIC's have expensive CCST printers / magnetic strip writers just to issue these Daysave tickets.
They might, on the face of it, be expensive to buy but they last for many years and every TOC is likely to have a surplus of them these days due to having fewer ticket office windows.
 

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Purchased online, in advance of the date of travel. Picked up at local station, in Lincolnshire, using the delivery code. No issues, and printed out on card stock. It saved messing about when I arrived in London.
Yes I collected one, some years ago now, from a VTEC TVM at Darlington with no issue. I think the "it must be collected from a Southern station" is a bit of a myth.
 
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