Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

[sd0733]

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I noticed that, means the train before hand (21:XX arrival into Piccadilly) needs to be a pair of units as it splits at Piccadilly to form both the 21:30 & 22:30 services. Which tonight seems didn't happen with the 21:30 cancelled.

I presume the ECS goes via Warrington to get route knowledge (especially for Warrington - Crewe) in case they need to get sent that way (instead of TfW throwing in the towel and terminating at Crewe as what normally happens when the line towards Stockport is closed).

Did GC get round to fitting plug sockets in the buffet coach or is that a socket free zone?

The same happens with the other set which arrives at 20:15, that returns empty too so the 19:15 and 21:15 unit arrivals are pairs which then split with 1 pair forming 19:30 and 20:30 amd the other doing the last 2 departures.

The route the ecs takes is different on different days. Whichever route the evening working takes is matched next morning ie Monday night it goes via Warrington so Tuesday mornings go via Warrington, Fri night is via Styal so Saturday morning back is via Styal, this does maintain route knowledge but also supposedly keeps the sets in the right formation, although there's already a mix.

No power points in the buffet, was looked at but there are power issues supplying every electrical circuit plus power sockets in there.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Seems to have been some kind of incident with the MK4 set on 1W93 today (1125 Cardiff-Holyhead), terminated at Abergavenny with "problem with traction equipment".
2-car 150 substituting from Chester onwards and back to Cardiff.
Also knock-on to the following Manchester service (175) which is turning at Crewe.

 

[sd0733]

Seems to have been some kind of incident with the MK4 set on 1W93 today (1125 Cardiff-Holyhead), terminated at Abergavenny with "problem with traction equipment".
2-car 150 substituting from Chester onwards and back to Cardiff.
Also knock-on to the following Manchester service (175) which is turning at Crewe.

Wasn't an incident as such, just a fault which as a precaution was sent back to Canton.

The set on 1V46 has now totally failed and lost power.

 

[E-Rail]

Having been on 1W93, it seemed to be a door locking issue that prevented a departure from Abergavenny.

 

[sd0733]

Having been on 1W93, it seemed to be a door locking issue that prevented a departure from Abergavenny.

Yes it was. The Integrity (door interlock) system is proving a big problem on the ex-GC sets so far, presumably linked to lack of use over the past few years. HD04 is sidelined at Crewe with it and 06 had the issues today which are planned to be rectified and should be out tomorrow and HD05 has had issues too In its brief stint in service before it went for SDO

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The set on 1V46 has now totally failed and lost power.

And the following Manchester-Carmarthen 175 (1V48) is now being held up for the second time today, having turned at Crewe earlier because of the 1W93 failure.
TfW still showing "good service" for the route.

 

[E-Rail]

Yes it was. The Integrity (door interlock) system is proving a big problem on the ex-GC sets so far, presumably linked to lack of use over the past few years. HD04 is sidelined at Crewe with it and 06 had the issues today which are planned to be rectified and should be out tomorrow and HD05 has had issues too In its brief stint in service before it went for SDO

Superb refurb by Grand Central though. Ambience definitely restored.

 

[Wizard51]

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Yes it was. The Integrity (door interlock) system is proving a big problem on the ex-GC sets so far, presumably linked to lack of use over the past few years. HD04 is sidelined at Crewe with it and 06 had the issues today which are planned to be rectified and should be out tomorrow and HD05 has had issues too In its brief stint in service before it went for SDO

I assume there is little chance of a set now for the start off Manchester tomorrow?

 

[LowLevel]

Yes it was. The Integrity (door interlock) system is proving a big problem on the ex-GC sets so far, presumably linked to lack of use over the past few years. HD04 is sidelined at Crewe with it and 06 had the issues today which are planned to be rectified and should be out tomorrow and HD05 has had issues too In its brief stint in service before it went for SDO

Door systems always go wrong with lack of use - the EMR 170s were horrendous for door faults for quite a while and still have the odd hiccup now, though they've settled down significantly.

Once they're being operated multiple times per hour they'll be working well again I'm sure!

 

[sd0733]

Superb refurb by Grand Central though. Ambience definitely restored.

The interiors are really good. There's a few bits mechanically...not quite so much. Sure with more use and familiarity things Will soon pick up

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I assume there is little chance of a set now for the start off Manchester tomorrow?

Doesn't look promising there's a set In Crewe but it's had a fault and has no loco so would be surprised to see that out in the morning.

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Door systems always go wrong with lack of use - the EMR 170s were horrendous for door faults for quite a while and still have the odd hiccup now, though they've settled down significantly.

Once they're being operated multiple times per hour they'll be working well again I'm sure!

Yes exactly, sure they'll be fine pretty soon Just teething glitches
Unfortunately 2 failures out of 3 sets on day 2 isn't particularly instilling confidence in crews!

 

[JakeMurphy]

The interiors are really good. There's a few bits mechanically...not quite so much. Sure with more use and familiarity things Will soon pick up

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Doesn't look promising there's a set In Crewe but it's had a fault and has no loco so would be surprised to see that out in the morning.

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Yes exactly, sure they'll be fine pretty soon Just teething glitches
Unfortunately 2 failures out of 3 sets on day 2 isn't particularly instilling confidence in crews!

I saw HD03 has 67015 now isn’t that available?

 

[sd0733]

I saw HD03 has 67015 now isn’t that available?

No, it's not got SDO so can't now be used

 

[JakeMurphy]

No, it's not got SDO so can't now be used

Oh right I got lucky with 1V46 I had it Manchester to Crewe..

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A rescue loco is on the way 1Z99

Oh right I got lucky with 1V46 I had it Manchester to Crewe..

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

HD04 is sidelined at Crewe with it and 06 had the issues today which are planned to be rectified and should be out tomorrow and HD05 has had issues too In its brief stint in service before it went for SDO

RTT thinks HD05 is on the evening Cardiff-Holyhead (1W96) with 67 013.

Nothing seems to be moving southwards from Leominster.
Southbounds queuing back to Shrewsbury, and the 1730 ex Manchester is about to join the 1630 in the platform at Shrewsbury.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

RTT thinks HD05 is on the evening Cardiff-Holyhead (1W96) with 67 013.

Nothing seems to be moving southwards from Leominster.
Southbounds queuing back to Shrewsbury, and the 1730 ex Manchester is about to join the 1630 in the platform at Shrewsbury.

sd0733 said HD05 had issues prior to SDO fitting.

 

[Sheridan]

Rescue will almost always take longer with these than with 175s, simply because you can’t just use the following service or the first one in the opposite direction. Although I suppose with mk4s and 175s alternating that might work both ways now.

 

[sd0733]

Oh right I got lucky with 1V46 I had it Manchester to Crewe..

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A rescue loco is on the way 1Z99

Yes should be a loco from Canton and fitter en route

RTT thinks HD05 is on the evening Cardiff-Holyhead (1W96) with 67 013.

Nothing seems to be moving southwards from Leominster.
Southbounds queuing back to Shrewsbury, and the 1730 ex Manchester is about to join the 1630 in the platform at Shrewsbury.

HD05 has been working and has so far been OK since it's return.

After speaking to staff on the train sounds like it could be blocked for a while.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Yes should be a loco from Canton and fitter en route
HD05 has been working and has so far been OK since it's return.

After speaking to staff on the train sounds like it could be blocked for a while.

Is 67015 done with TfW then

 

[JakeMurphy]

Yes should be a loco from Canton and fitter en route
HD05 has been working and has so far been OK since it's return.

After speaking to staff on the train sounds like it could be blocked for a while.

67029 I’ve seen

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

67029 I’ve seen

I had that with a GC set yesterday, but it failed earlier at Abergavenny.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

I had that with a GC set yesterday, but it failed earlier at Abergavenny.

Door interlock fault was the issue, went to Canton empty via Hereford to clear the line.

Is 67015 done with TfW then

Not heard anything to say it won't be working with TfW again, it's still part of the pool.

 

[sd0733]

Is 67015 done with TfW then

It's one of the modded ones so should be on an in service rake soon!

 

[XCTurbostar]

I take it the Mk4s to Manchester are Weekday only at the moment?

 

[sd0733]

I take it the Mk4s to Manchester are Weekday only at the moment?

Should be Mon-Sat. Looks like a pretty limited service this weekend with just 1 morning one (sets depending!) But its.TBC as it stands

 

[TrainTrackJack]

67029 currently at Dinmore as 1Z99, I presume waiting to be given the road to Hereford to detrain the passengers.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

67029 currently at Dinmore as 1Z99, I presume waiting to be given the road to Hereford to detrain the passengers.

I assume the trains behind will pick up the ones that have to get off the loco hauled.

 

[Caaardiff]

Got a friend on this and they've just been taken off the train to a 175 on the other line via a ramp.

 

[sd0733]

I assume the trains behind will pick up the ones that have to get off the loco hauled.

A 175 was brought up alongside and picked up the passengers

 

[TrainTrackJack]

Could one rightfully assume that tomorrow's diagrams ex Canton and Ex Crewe will be unit substitutions?

 

[sd0733]

Could one rightfully assume that tomorrow's diagrams ex Canton and Ex Crewe will be unit substitutions?

Only Mk4s are now 1V91, 1W57, 1V46, 1W65 everything else units today

The failure from last night has been abandoned at Hereford I believe.