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Sleeper train on the ECML ?

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Willie Bee

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I read somewhere that the Scotland sleeper train will be using the ECML for the next few days

Does anybody have more details, such as timings through Newcastle please ?

thanks !

BTW .. HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL !
 
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I read somewhere that the Scotland sleeper train will be using the ECML for the next few days

Does anybody have more details, such as timings through Newcastle please ?

thanks !

BTW .. HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL !
I assume it is this service, as it doesn't show the sleeper stopping at any of the usual stops on the simple version, and on the detailed, it shows it passing ECML stations.
Timings through Newcastle: 03:44 and stops for staffing reasons, departs: 03:46.
 

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Both sleepers, both directions, nights of 27/28 and 28/29, and all at similarly insomniac-only times.
 

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Weirdly also going via the E&G to reach Glasgow Central
It is a bit weird. I originally thought that an engineering possession must have been in place, however 1D99 (0626 cross country Edinburgh to Glasgow Central) is running as normal...

What is the 'E&G'?
Edinburgh & Glasgow. The route via Falkirk. The sleeper is running via Falkirk Grahamston, Coatbridge Central and the Baileston line
 

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It is a bit weird. I originally thought that an engineering possession must have been in place, however 1D99 (0626 cross country Edinburgh to Glasgow Central) is running as normal...


Edinburgh & Glasgow. The route via Falkirk. The sleeper is running via Falkirk Grahamston, Coatbridge Central and the Baileston line
Thank You, I wasn't aware of such jargon.
The times in the up direction at Newcastle on the 28th remain the same as the 27th @Willie Bee:


Down direction, timings: 01:23 at Newcastle :)

 

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Surely the station must be shut by then anyway? :)
Yes, you are probably right, but there is always Manors Station, a totally open, unmanned station, about 1 mile from the main Newcastle Station, so anybody wanting to view the sleeper could go there ... it's just not on my 'to-do' list in the middle of the night

BTW .. My picture was taken at Monors
 

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Yes, you are probably right, but there is always Manors Station, a totally open, unmanned station, about 1 mile from the main Newcastle Station, so anybody wanting to view the sleeper could go there ... it's just not on my 'to-do' list in the middle of the night

BTW .. My picture was taken at Monors
I guess by virtue of it being a Sleeper it's only to be expected for it to pass through stations mid journey in the night time!
 

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When I worked for Durham County Council in the 70s, we included a summary of train times in our bus timetable and at that time there were sleepers on the ECML. The headnote "zz" was used to mean "conveys sleeping cars".
 

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Worth mentioning perhaps that there are sleeper trains on the ECML from the Trackwork Moll factory in Doncaster to Millerhill, Tyne Yard and Whitemoor!
 

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Surely the station must be shut by then anyway? :)
Yes, Newcastle station usually shuts some time after 23:00 and re-opens around 04:00. For arrivals after 23:00 passengers are escorted by staff from the train to the exit.

Newcastle, Darlington and Berwick-upon-Tweed are the only ECML stations in the North East (north of York) that can physically be closed at night - the rest all have open access so in theory are accessible 24/7.

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1h 46m from Euston - Finsbury Park? This seems crazy!!!
The Euston departure is why it takes so long. It has to get to Wembley, detach a loco, then wait for a path for the slow crawl via Primrose Hill and Camden Road to reach the ECML. The loco that hauls the empty stock into Euston hauls the train from Wembley on to Scotland via the ECML, the loco at what would normally be the Scotland end of the train only hauls the train to Wembley and is detached, not uncommon for that to be 87002 during the Mk2/Mk3 era.
 

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It is a bit weird. I originally thought that an engineering possession must have been in place, however 1D99 (0626 cross country Edinburgh to Glasgow Central) is running as normal...
Maybe there's a Block To Electric Traction (BTET) through Carstairs - that's almost certainly where the possession is.
 

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Could it not have just run direct via Shotts then?
Are 92s cleared via that route? I know they're power-hungry, and that Shotts isn't rated for a very high electrical load...

There also may have been work between Haymarket & Carstairs which ruled Shotts out.
 

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Are 92s cleared via that route? I know they're power-hungry, and that Shotts isn't rated for a very high electrical load...

There also may have been work between Haymarket & Carstairs which ruled Shotts out.
Yeah I'm sure 5C11 runs that way
 

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Would it be feasible to start at Finsbury Park?
I supect that the platforms won't be long enough at Finsbury Park....and that using selective/local door operation there would involve a long platform occupation at a very busy station, but I'm open to correction as always.
 
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