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A career as a train driver

Class2ldn

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You do not need to pay for the tests, this situation with gbrf is unusual as the only way someone will have the passes is they are in a talent pool or they pulled out of the process. Usually when you apply to a company they will put you through the tests.
Gbrf just want to skip that process which isn't suitable if you haven't done them.
 
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You do not need to pay for the tests, this situation with gbrf is unusual as the only way someone will have the passes is they are in a talent pool or they pulled out of the process. Usually when you apply to a company they will put you through the tests.
Gbrf just want to skip that process which isn't suitable if you haven't done them.

Thankyou for your reply. If I were to do the psychometrics privately is there anyway this can be done and who would you recommend?
 

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DB used to do it but bare in mind you only get 2 fails and even if you do it privately it still counts towards your 2 attempts
 

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Hi all. Considering trying for a career as a train driver. Very early stages as I have 18 months left to go in the police- at 48 I am very keen for a new challenge and keen to start something new!
Im based in Essex. Looking through the threads I will be taking a look at How2Become Train Driver Software.
I'd appreciate any advice to help get me best prepared or hear from anybody from a similar background.
Thank you.
 
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Hi all. Considering trying for a career as a train driver. Very early stages as I have 18 months left to go in the police- at 48 I am very keen for a new challenge and keen to start something new!
Im based in Essex. Looking through the threads I will be taking a look at How2Become Train Driver Software.
I'd appreciate any advice to help get me best prepared or hear from anybody from a similar background.
Thank you.
There is a lot of useful information in this thread, and also on this forum so its well work a read. However the first thing is to get yourself registered for job notifications on the websites for the companies you want to work for. The process can be a very long one so it's best to start early, particularly as trainee driver jobs aren't advertised that frequently. Also make sure you have an up-to-date CV.

There are lots of opinions about the How2Become books but at this stage I would worry about getting them until you've got an application under your belt. For reference, I'm older than you are and changed careers so it's perfectly possible!
 

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Thankyou for your reply. If I were to do the psychometrics privately is there anyway this can be done and who would you recommend?

You can indeed pay to put yourself through the psychometric tests but be aware this would cost you in the region of £750 and of course there is no guarantee you will pass, in fact I believe the fail rate is around 75%.

For an idea of what these tests entail, have a look here:

 

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There is a lot of useful information in this thread, and also on this forum so its well work a read. However the first thing is to get yourself registered for job notifications on the websites for the companies you want to work for. The process can be a very long one so it's best to start early, particularly as trainee driver jobs aren't advertised that frequently. Also make sure you have an up-to-date CV.

There are lots of opinions about the How2Become books but at this stage I would worry about getting them until you've got an application under your belt. For reference, I'm older than you are and changed careers so it's perfectly possible!
Thanks MostlyHarmless your advice is much appreciated
 

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Hello everyone.

I am looking to become a train driver in the future and have been looking at jobs locally to me. Mainly Peterborough and they are advertising for Trainee Train Driver - Peterborough at GB railfreight. One of the requirements is that you "Have passed the train driver psychometrics to the national standard in the last 5 years". A quick google gives up so many different options at many different price points. My only concern is that I do not want to be burned spending money on something that isn't worth the paper that it is written on so just looking for advice what is best to look for? Distance doesn't matter as I would be prepared to travel.

A bit of background with myself I am in my mid 30's spent 15 years in management in the food industry so working a lot around H&S, Risk Assessments etc and have spent the last 2 years as a class 1 lorry driver which I am enjoying immensely and love the responsibility it brings but having a taste of that I would like to take the next step into train driving. Educationally I have 10 GSCE's A-C and BTEC in computer programming.

Thank you for your help.

Hi all. Considering trying for a career as a train driver. Very early stages as I have 18 months left to go in the police- at 48 I am very keen for a new challenge and keen to start something new!
Im based in Essex. Looking through the threads I will be taking a look at How2Become Train Driver Software.
I'd appreciate any advice to help get me best prepared or hear from anybody from a similar background.
Thank you.
Hi mate.

I'm a serving police officer and applied for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Was pleasantly shocked to get invited for an interview ( which was today). From what I have read, the skill sets needed for Police are very much sought. Oh and I'm 49 years old
 

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Hi mate.

I'm a serving police officer and applied for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Was pleasantly shocked to get invited for an interview ( which was today). From what I have read, the skill sets needed for Police are very much sought. Oh and I'm 49 years old
Hope the interview went well.Good luck mate....
 

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Hi mate.

I'm a serving police officer and applied for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Was pleasantly shocked to get invited for an interview ( which was today). From what I have read, the skill sets needed for Police are very much sought. Oh and I'm 49 years old

Hope the interview went well, but be aware that even if you did, you will be required to undertake a rigorous testing process which has a 75% failure rate. Many companies put applicants through testing first with interview at the final stage.

That said, transferable skills from the Police and indeed other emergency services such as the ability to follow procedures, work within a very highly regulated industry and cope with shift / night / weekend working should stand you in good stead if you are ultimately successful.
 

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Hope the interview went well, but be aware that even if you did, you will be required to undertake a rigorous testing process which has a 75% failure rate. Many companies put applicants through testing first with interview at the final stage.

That said, transferable skills from the Police and indeed other emergency services such as the ability to follow procedures, work within a very highly regulated industry and cope with shift / night / weekend working should stand you in good stead if you are ultimately successful.
Hi.

The interview went fine I thought, but the more I think the more I worry I could have done better!
Having researched the application process no doubt as you say the tests seem to catch out most people. My interviewer as you have rightly stated told me the current pass percentage was only 30%.
Just hope that I have done enough with the interview and then I can just start practicing away like mad. Have heard that quite a few people who do take these tests don't really put the commitment needed.

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Hope the interview went well.Good luck mate....
Cheers. I think it went well, but in the same light having anyaslised guess could have done better. At the end of the day I can always apply again. All a learning curve I guess.
 

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Hi guys, I am in my last year in college studying public services, I am wanting to be a train driver. How do I become one?
 

12LDA28C

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Hi guys, I am in my last year in college studying public services, I am wanting to be a train driver. How do I become one?

How old are you? I believe the current minimum age is 21.

If you are 21 or over then you just need to keep your eye out for job adverts on TOCs / FOCs websites. Be aware that it is NOT an easy process and the failure rate is very high, not to mention the fact that hundreds of people apply for every one vacancy. Generally the successful applicants have transferable skills from other industries.
 

neilo5678

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Hi all

I have passed my assessment and driver manager interview. I have to take the MMI in the new year. Any tips? If successful would be out of the London Victoria Depot. Does anyone know if car parking is available to staff or is it a case of needing to find your own.

Thanks in advance
 

class373

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Hi all

I have passed my assessment and driver manager interview. I have to take the MMI in the new year. Any tips? If successful would be out of the London Victoria Depot. Does anyone know if car parking is available to staff or is it a case of needing to find your own.

Thanks in advance
Parking is available to staff, you get 2 permits for 2 vehicles. Manned 24 hours a day and the best part is it’s outside the CGZ :)
 

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Hi all

I have passed my assessment and driver manager interview. I have to take the MMI in the new year. Any tips? If successful would be out of the London Victoria Depot. Does anyone know if car parking is available to staff or is it a case of needing to find your own.

Thanks in advance
Well done Which Toc ? GTR Southern ?
 

neilo5678

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Parking is available to staff, you get 2 permits for 2 vehicles. Manned 24 hours a day and the best part is it’s outside the CGZ :)
Great thanks. What’s the cost of a permit? How far from the station is it

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Well done Which Toc ? GTR Southern ?
Thank you. South eastern. Fingers crossed for MMI
 

class373

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Great thanks. What’s the cost of a permit? How far from the station is it

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Thank you. South eastern. Fingers crossed for MMI
Permit is free it’s attached to the station at the taxi rank.
 

kajojek3232

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Hello fellow humans,

This is my first post, so take it easy on me.

I have recently applied for the XCountry Trainee Train Driver Apprenticeship and wanted a little bit of advice and information.

I am trying to not get my hopes up as this is only the first time I’m applying for a job like this (I’m 25) but I do think my current job that’s in healthcare might give me some sort of an edge i.e. both safety oriented, both need excellent communication skills, both “customer” facing and both need long periods of concentration.

So, wanted I wanted to know is how the recruitment process works for them. Their website seems a bit vague and there’s strangely little information about it, even on this forum.

I’ve read they don’t do GB test and instead use SCAAT and RAAT but that’s as much as I was able to find.

Does anyone know whether you have any sort of online assessment first and then an interview? And what happened after?

I do realise I sound a bit vague but I just want to gather as much information as I can.

Thanks a lot
 

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Hi, All Tocs have almost similiar lengthy process. After submitting application. They ask you to complete online test. If u r successful in first test then u do the second online test. The next stage is initial zoom interview with the line manager. The next stage is paper based test. After that u do the computer tests. Then u have a MMI interview. If successful then u go for Driver Manager Interview.Then u r placed in talent pool on the performance of the interview. The last stage is Medical.on completion of medical , u will get a start date for trainee train driver course.
 

mobotmat21

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Hello,

I’ve been placed in a trainee driver talent pool in Aug ‘21 and it’s now been well over 16 months since I’ve been in it now. Was wondering what everybody’s wait time in their pools were? And also if it’s a sure thing that I’ll get a call back?

I’m sure most of you guys have probably got this question a lot already, but thanks in advance :)

(PS I’m new to this)
 

LeGrimpeur

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Hello,

I’ve been placed in a trainee driver talent pool in Aug ‘21 and it’s now been well over 16 months since I’ve been in it now. Was wondering what everybody’s wait time in their pools were? And also if it’s a sure thing that I’ll get a call back?

I’m sure most of you guys have probably got this question a lot already, but thanks in advance :)

(PS I’m new to this)
My colleague just got the call after being in the pool for 3 yrs.
 

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Hi, new to this site, my names Zak and I’m interested in becoming a train driver, I’ve been in construction for coming on 10 years now and fancy a change and train driver has really interested me I just wondered if anyone could give me any pointers on where to get started I don’t really know too much about this profession so any help in appreciation, also how often do trainee driver get taken on. Also with this being a career change I understand I’m starting at the bottom again so am going to be taking a pay cut as I’m training also curious to know how long it takes to achieve pay rises? Thanks in advance for any answers
 
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- update your CV and try to put emphasis on the safety aspect of your job and how you follow procedures and other qualities that a train driver would have to possess

- sign up for alerts with your local TOC

- once a job is advertised apply as quick as you can because they often take them down early

- think about why you want to be a train driver and what skills you can bring to the role as you will often have to write paragraphs of these things on your application

- wait weeks often months patiently for the TOC to reach out and if you are successful they will send you online assessments that include situational judgment tests and exercises that are testing your concentration and you will normally have 3 days to complete them

- wait again patiently for a couple of weeks

- if you were successful with the online test they might invite you to an actual assessment and you will be given practice materials

-wait ages to be invited for an interview or an actual assessment since hundreds if not thousands of people have applied and passed the online assessments (sometimes the TOCs will say that they will invite you for an assessment and nothing will ever happen so be prepared for that as well)

-if they invite you book the assessment centre appointments ASAP so you have more options (lots of people fail at this stage)

- sometimes they split these assessments into 2 stages which slows the process down and will have to wait a couple of weeks between the 2 assessments

-congratulations you have passed your assessment! Now the wait begins to be invited for an interview with a driver manager if you haven’t already had one already

- if you have passed your interview you will be either offered a medical date for a course start date

-or you will be put into a talent pool for months (I have been put into 4 different talent pools and still haven’t heard a thing and it has been months )

You might get lucky and will be a quick process for you so keep trying.

How often do they higher trainees?
-they are starting to higher lots more but they have a backlog of applications

Payrise is gradual: you get one once you finish your classroom training then again when you go qualified

There are TOCs where you have to be fully qualified for a whole year before you get your full money

There are talks atm that new starters will be giving gradual payrises even after they are fully qualified but that will be decided at some point depending if the union agrees to it
 

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Be aware it’s one of the hardest jobs in the country to get into, competition is fierce and preferred candidates are normally from safety critical backgrounds such as the police, military, railways etc.

Training salaries are around £25-30k, some jump up midway to around £35-40k and upon completion of training (12-18 months) jump up to qualified wages which are anything from £40k-£80k.

Start practising for the psychometric tests now so IF you get invited for testing you’re hopefully ready and able to pass, they’re notoriously hard for the majority of the population.

Check this site every single day, alongside all of the rail operator’s career pages. You need to apply for trainee roles within a day otherwise it’s likely the advert will be taken offline due to thousands of applicants. From experience, applying quickly can benefit you.
 

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Upgrade your CV to show the safety side of your past careers whether they're safety critical or not.

I set up email alerts on this forum for any new posts and although most new threads are random you will get ones advertising trainee roles and roles in your area.

From there it's sheer luck if I'm brutally honest. The sift is a gamble you either make it or you don't. Safety critical roles are preferred but doesn't mean it'll grant you anything in the sift. Just apply as early as possible.

From there just practice all the tests available on this forum, if you get through you'll get a practice pack just study that and practice, practice practice.

If you've got the skills they desire you'll fly through the process but don't expect it to be a quick process. From application to being a trainee can take years and to sit in the seat can take another 12-18 months on top of that. It's not easy and no one will admit it is honestly but I believe it'll definitely be worth it if it's something you really want to do
 
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pmc88

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Hi Guys,

I've just recently qualified as a driver for National Express East Coast at Leeds.

I was an internal applicant but I will pass on my experience.

First there was the interview. 300 applicants down to 30 to be interviewed. It is important on the application form as well as the interview to talk about professionalism, your reliability but even more importantly they want to hear about how importantly you take communication and safety. You must be able to show you have done some research. Tell them where their driver's depots are, their train depots, which routes they travel over.

There were 2 positions and they only sent us 2 for the pyschometric testing, whereas usually they send half a dozen because the pass rate is about 25%.

At the testing you will do a short term memory test. You get a passage of text to read for about 5 minutes and then have to answer as many multiple choice questions as you can in the time given. You can make notes whilst you read the text and I cant stress enough I much this will help you.

You will then have to do the concentration test, which is also known as the barden test. It is pages of groups shapes made up of 3, 4 or 5 dots. The idea is to put a mark through each of the 4 dot shapes and do as many as possible. This is difficult but photocopy loads and loads of pages before you go and just do them over and over again.

There is then the co-ordination test on a computer. There is a monitor with a special keyboard which has 4 coloured buttons on. You also have 2 foot pedals and ear phones on. Basically the idea is which ever colour flashes on to the screen you press the corresponding button. When ever you get a buzz in your left ear your press down the left foot pedal etc. This should be fine if you are used to using a playstation etc.

Then there is the mechanics test. This is basically a physics test. You'll get diagrams and questions like if pulley A is turned clockwise which way will pulley C turn. Buy Physics for dummies. This was a great help to me.

Anyway, pass all that and you are in! Then the hard work starts.

Hope this helps. I was thinking of operating some sort of seminar for people that are looking to get in to train driving and want to know what is involved. I'd provide examples used in the psychometric testing and interview techniques etc. Do you think anybody would be interested in attending such a thing?

Anyway, bye for now.

Mike
Hi, I know this is an old post but would you be able to share some wisdom as Im planning to apply for a trainee driver role. I plan to do plenty of mock tests in advance.

Thanks

Paul
 

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That guy hasn't been on this forum for 15 years :lol:

But if you read through this thread you should find all the info you need...
 

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