Haywain
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Yes, and your point is...?Do you remember some years ago when there was a number of incidents of railway photographers being harassed and searched under anti terrorism laws?
Yes, and your point is...?Do you remember some years ago when there was a number of incidents of railway photographers being harassed and searched under anti terrorism laws?
Perhaps not normal—but it *absolutely* ought to be permissable. Being weird is not a crime nor does it give the authorities reasonable grounds to hassle someone.No Not Really, unless you think it is normal to go around daily business arousing suspicion and acting generally 'weird'
Still don't see the problem with @Haywain's advice - don't act in an apparently criminal manner if you don't want to attract the attention of the authorities.For your benefit I've re-quoted the post I was replying to.
Agreed on both counts. However nobody has claimed that being weird is a crime, nor suggested that people should be hassled for doing so. However an inevitable consequence of being weird is that you attract attention. If you don't want any attention from the authorities then don't act in an apparently criminal manner.Perhaps not normal—but it *absolutely* ought to be permissable. Being weird is not a crime nor does it give the authorities reasonable grounds to hassle someone.
I'm not going to change the way I act out of fear someone else might consider it could potentially be something criminal, and I don't think anyone else should either.Yes, and your point is...?
Hear hear.I'm not going to change the way I act out of fear someone else might consider it could potentially be something criminal, and I don't think anyone else should either.
As an example, I've had security staff meet a train I was traveling pass on before after a member of the public reported me to BTP for entering and traveling in the middle cab. I'm not going to stop riding in middle cabs when I'm entitled to out of fear someone might think I'm a terrorist.
In the same way people shouldn't have been discouraged from taking photos or spotting at stations because someone might potentially think they are a terrorist.
It's the same situation as do-gooders harassing people who don't look disabled for parking in a blue badge space or using a disabled toilet. Just ignore them.
That's fine, but be aware that to those who don't know of your entitlement it may well look very suspicious. And, well, "See it, say it, sorted."I'm not going to stop riding in middle cabs when I'm entitled to out of fear someone might think I'm a terrorist.
Staff were encouraged to question things they didn't consider 'normal' behaviour. And to many staff, that isn't normal behaviour, even on a station.In the same way people shouldn't have been discouraged from taking photos or spotting at stations because someone might potentially think they are a terrorist.
Both rolling announcements encouraging people to inform the police if they see something "that doesn't look right" and staff being encouraged to challenge behaviour simply for being abnormal are precisely the sort of thing to which I think 357 was referring with the allusion to China/NK. It's an unpleasantly suspicious mentality.That's fine, but be aware that to those who don't know of your entitlement it may well look very suspicious. And, well, "See it, say it, sorted."
Staff were encouraged to question things they didn't consider 'normal' behaviour. And to many staff, that isn't normal behaviour, even on a station.
Your preference being that people "mind their business" and ignore everything that they see?Both rolling announcements encouraging people to inform the police if they see something "that doesn't look right" and staff being encouraged to challenge behaviour simply for being abnormal are precisely the sort of thing to which I think 357 was referring with the allusion to China/NK. It's an unpleasantly suspicious mentality.
Yes, and via your original comment...That's fine, but be aware that to those who don't know of your entitlement it may well look very suspicious. And, well, "See it, say it, sorted."
Staff were encouraged to question things they didn't consider 'normal' behaviour. And to many staff, that isn't normal behaviour, even on a station.
We do not live in a country where we should be expected to stop/disrupt our perfectly legal activities for fear of possibly being seen as a potential criminal.Let’s simplify that - don’t act in ways that might arouse suspicion of criminal behaviour. Not just online but all the time.
Agreed, but the OP's problem was doing something that wasn't "totally legal."Sure, you might need to explain something, but it doesn't mean you should stop doing it if it's totally legal.
I think that they run half of the TOC sites anyway though, so it makes no difference for those TOCsit appears that Trainline is in fact a very flawed site unfortunately. It is always better going through a TOC
And my comment was replying to a later reply, quoted below (my bold)Agreed, but the OP's problem was doing something that wasn't "totally legal."
Let’s simplify that - don’t act in ways that might arouse suspicion of criminal behaviour. Not just online but all the time.
But from what I've found TOCs have much better customer support - whenever I message GWR/LNER/Cross Country i get a response within max an hour, whereas I had to message trainline recently and they got back to me after 3 days, and even that was simply a message saying to call/email them rather than actually sorting the issue. Fortunately I also posted on here and the wonderful people on here sorted the issue out within an hourI think that they run half of the TOC sites anyway though, so it makes no difference for those TOCs
Then the staff need to learn about the environment they work in because people taking pictures of trains in stations is "normal" behaviour.That's fine, but be aware that to those who don't know of your entitlement it may well look very suspicious. And, well, "See it, say it, sorted."
Staff were encouraged to question things they didn't consider 'normal' behaviour. And to many staff, that isn't normal behaviour, even on a station.

A return from Falmouth Docks to Truro is less than £10 so surely won't have any refund value after the admin fee? (And Truro is gated anyway so the tickets would probably need to be scanned.)I know many people who use lines such as the Falmouth branch, and if their ticket isn't checked on the train they will just refund it - something needs to be done about it, and unfortunately the most likely outcome is more charges for refunds
It depends - Trainline for example use a variable refund fee depending on the value of the ticket:A return from Falmouth Docks to Truro is less than £10 so surely won't have any refund value after the admin fee? (And Truro is gated anyway so the tickets would probably need to be scanned.)
| Ticket Value | Refund/Exchange Fee |
| Up to £1.99 | No fee |
| £2 to £2.99 | £1.00 |
| £3 to £3.99 | £1.50 |
| £4 to £4.99 | £2.00 |
| £5 to £5.99 | £3.00 |
| £6 to £6.99 | £4.00 |
| £7 to £7.99 | £5.00 |
| £8 to £8.99 | £6.00 |
| £9 to £9.99 | £7.00 |
| £10 to £10.99 | £7.50 |
| £11 to £11.99 | £8.00 |
| £12 to £12.99 | £9.00 |
| £13 to £13.99 | £10.00 |
| £14 to £14.99 | £10.00 |
| £15 to £15.99 | £10.00 |
| £16 > | £10.00 |
Not to mention the fact that a click on an on-screen "button" can easily be accidental. I'm sure I'm not unique in having screens refresh and move buttons as I'm clicking the mouse. OK - having the same thing happen time after time would be a bit harder to explain - but any process for a refund that doesn't involve at the very least a two-stage click and confirm seems very flawed. Never tried it as I wouldn't touch Trainline with the proverbial barge pole....Perhaps i have misunderstood the post. I have never used Trainline but surely you cannot click on something and expect a refund without Trainline making some checks? If this was the case, then lots of people would be at it and fraudulent claims would no doubt come to the attention of this forum.
Not to mention the fact that a click on an on-screen "button" can easily be accidental
I think its usually uni students travelling from Falmouth to Penryn - plus when going to Truro the person checking/selling tickets will usually get around to you, whereas for this short of a journey they might not be able to get through the whole trainA return from Falmouth Docks to Truro is less than £10 so surely won't have any refund value after the admin fee? (And Truro is gated anyway so the tickets would probably need to be scanned.)
From memory (I bought an e-ticket a few months ago which I was then unable to use) you certainly do pass some confirmation screens where you need to agree that you have not used, and will not use, the ticket.I’ve never used Trainline, but surely any app or website worth its salt wouldn’t allow a refund to be requested with a single click? Surely there’s a “confirm” stage too?