Western Sunset
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If I recall, the partition was quite high up, so you kinda had to stand on the seats to get a good view.The class 310's though on the WCML....were usually up affording a great view.
If I recall, the partition was quite high up, so you kinda had to stand on the seats to get a good view.The class 310's though on the WCML....were usually up affording a great view.
That's right, there was a rearward-facing bench seat up against the partition behind the cab entrance vestibule so the windows were high up and you had to look through two sets of windows, each either side of the vestibule. However it was certainly possible to get a good view, I did it once on a very quiet service by kneeling on the bench seat and looking forwards.If I recall, the partition was quite high up, so you kinda had to stand on the seats to get a good view.
Well I'd say it's not so much a case of not being compatible, but they would either have needed a retention tank for the washbasin in each compartment or they would still have needed troughs beneath the track at stations where sleeping car trains started and terminated (which would have defeated the object of having retention tank toilets, which was to eliminate the need for those troughs).The chamber pot wouldn't have been compatible with the retention tanks on the Mark 3A Sleepers without some complex plumbing though. Loss of a handy storage area seems unfortunate though. However, I recall the Mark 3A cabins also had night lights?
I can vouch for the 1940s sliding door EMUs (class 502) being an improvement on the L&Y EMUs that they replaced on the Liverpool-Ormskirk line (round about 1961-62).Mk2e ( the ones with actual aircon & not the mk3 seats ).
1970s sliding door commuter EMUs, did you ever experience what they replaced?
159s I'll give you with the qualifier that it took guard's vans away. They didn't replace DMUs ( and neither did most 158s ) so that's a false comparison, but "better than random clapped out Mk2s" is good enough.
Everything else has far too many "except for". There'll probably be loads of pre BR stuff someone can think up.
The Class 210 DMU of the early 1980s , of which only two sets were built ran side by side with Class 117 Pressed Steel DMU sets, in and out of Padington
Origonaly the 303's and 311's were 3+2 (before refurb)n but the seats were ultra comfortable and well padded. Done many trips on 303's on North Clyde servicesWhen I started using my local South Glasgow route, trains were formed by the excellent Class 303 EMUs, these were then replaced by Class 314, the latter being IMHO a step backwards, thanks to 2+3 rather than 2+2 seating, and every door opening at every station. They have in turn been replaced, mostly, by Class 380, which are a step change forward with for example high-backed 2+2 seating and tables at every seat, and are a pleasure to travel on.
They had to be well-padded to counteract the effects of those bouncy Gresley bogies!Origonaly the 303's and 311's were 3+2 (before refurb)n but the seats were ultra comfortable and well padded. Done many trips on 303's on North Clyde services
Agree but whilst the Gresley bogies were not the smoothest the seats were so well padded that compared to other 1st gen EMU's with same bogies you had a comfy rideThey had to be well-padded to counteract the effects of those bouncy Gresley bogies!
It was the LMSR corridor emus that were withdrawn about then. The orignal L&YR emus were replaced in the 1930s.I can vouch for the 1940s sliding door EMUs (class 502) being an improvement on the L&Y EMUs that they replaced on the Liverpool-Ormskirk line (round about 1961-62).
My mistake! You are right: it was the early LMS electric stock that was replaced then (and it was 1964). However, they were compartment stock, not corridor.It was the LMSR corridor emus that were withdrawn about then. The orignal L&YR emus were replaced in the 1930s.
Originally running all as 3 car sets (or 2x3), they later mostly ran as 5 car formations (2 +3), with a few going coaches to Altrincham to replace those damaged in WW2.