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Transport for Wales - Trainee Train Drivers

craigybagel

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This is very helpful. Out of interest what is the starter link in Chester. That is where i applied to.
Chester to Holyhead/Llandudno, Manchester, Crewe, Shrewsbury and Wrexham - Bidston.
Excellent response mate, think a lot of people will get answers to questions from your post.

I've gone from 8/9 hour intensive shifts at Snow Hill (100-140 stops per shift) to 6-9 hour mostly intercity work at Crewe with massive breaks on some jobs so I've done both extremes.

I've gone for Crewe so I'm guessing that's almost exclusively Manchester and Cardiff work with some Chester? Likely to be similar to what I do already.
That's the gist of it alright - also Chester to Shrewsbury and Shrewsbury to Birmingham but those routes aren't in the starter link.
 
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Chester to Holyhead/Llandudno, Manchester, Crewe, Shrewsbury and Wrexham - Bidston.

That's the gist of it alright - also Chester to Shrewsbury and Shrewsbury to Birmingham but those routes aren't in the starter link.

Interesting. So even as a new starter you are still doing multiple routes. I thought they would start you one one route first.
 

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Interesting. So even as a new starter you are still doing multiple routes. I thought they would start you one one route first.
That quite rare from my experience, at WMT almost all depots are single link therefore all drivers sign all routes & tractions.
 

craigybagel

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Interesting. So even as a new starter you are still doing multiple routes. I thought they would start you one one route first.
When you get your hours in with an instructor you'll be working their hours so covering all routes and learning them as you go along, so no point keeping you to just the one when you first qualify.
That quite rare from my experience, at WMT almost all depots are single link therefore all drivers sign all routes & tractions.
To be fair most at TfW are as well. Chester and Cardiff Mainline have always had link progression, and Crewe used to only have 67 knowledge in one of its links but that's about it.

Crewe and Shrewsbury have since brought in starter links with reduced route cards to cope with the backlog of route learning needed after Covid.
 

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I don’t think TFW send rejection letters. It’s just a case of waiting until they get around to you if you’re shortlisted

I wasn’t soo sure myself on that but know someone who has had an email saying they haven’t got through. Just wondered if anybody else has and they were sending them out in mass email as I still not heard either way yet
 

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I wasn’t soo sure myself on that but know someone who has had an email saying they haven’t got through. Just wondered if anybody else has and they were sending them out in mass email as I still not heard either way yet
In that case they must send acknowledgement. I’d take it as a good sign you’re still in with a chance of being shortlisted.

I assume they’re up against it at the moment. I missed out on last dates for computer assessments and haven’t heard anything since the start of November regarding a new date (hardly any time of waiting compared to some).
 

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It may be that the first lot of dates for training are pretty much full. Crewe DMs said they had 6 slots booked for Jan-Mar, the rest of the year is currently not booked but will run to max capacity.

Someone did post saying they had been told only Holyhead had testing booked in prior to new year now so anyone waiting for other depots it may be a few more weeks until you're contacted for next stages (or first stage)
 

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It may be that the first lot of dates for training are pretty much full. Crewe DMs said they had 6 slots booked for Jan-Mar, the rest of the year is currently not booked but will run to max capacity.

Someone did post saying they had been told only Holyhead had testing booked in prior to new year now so anyone waiting for other depots it may be a few more weeks until you're contacted for next stages (or first stage)
Ah excellent, thanks for that
 

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Just had an email to say I failed the DMI. Not surprised to be honest, I struggled with some of the questions that I feel those who didn’t work in the rail industry would struggle on, some of the questions I could have never prepared for! I was last to be interviewed and was there for 90 mins. I applied for a small depot with only 1 vacancy so knew the chances of getting it were slim.
 

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Just had an email to say I failed the DMI. Not surprised to be honest, I struggled with some of the questions that I feel those who didn’t work in the rail industry would struggle on, some of the questions I could have never prepared for! I was last to be interviewed and was there for 90 mins. I applied for a small depot with only 1 vacancy so knew the chances of getting it were slim.
Ahh gutted, I've just had the same email. Mine was just over an hour so they aren't quick interviews in fairness.

At least you have your testing done, apply for any driver jobs that appear around April onwards. Don't give up
 

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Just had an email to say I failed the DMI. Not surprised to be honest, I struggled with some of the questions that I feel those who didn’t work in the rail industry would struggle on, some of the questions I could have never prepared for! I was last to be interviewed and was there for 90 mins. I applied for a small depot with only 1 vacancy so knew the chances of getting it were slim.
Oh I’m so sorry. What sort of questions did you have? I have zero rail experience so not feeling too hopeful now.

Where did you apply?

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Someone did post saying they had been told only Holyhead had testing booked in prior to new year now so anyone waiting for other depots it may be a few more weeks until you're contacted for next stages (or first stage)
Just got my email inviting me to computer assessment so looks like things may be moving again.
 

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Oh I’m so sorry. What sort of questions did you have? I have zero rail experience so not feeling too hopeful now.

Where did you apply?

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Just got my email inviting me to computer assessment so looks like things may be moving again.
That's good! When is your testing?

Don't worry about railway experience, there's only 1 section out of 6 that is railway related and it involves questions around how shift work could affect you and how to counteract it. Nothing technical or requiring specific railway knowledge.
 

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That's good! When is your testing?

Don't worry about railway experience, there's only 1 section out of 6 that is railway related and it involves questions around how shift work could affect you and how to counteract it. Nothing technical or requiring specific railway knowledge.
They’ve offered me either 30th of Nov or 6th Dec. I accepted both and just waiting to hear back whether I got a slot.

I wonder why @Pippa12 got some rail specific questions?

Did you say you also failed DMI @SCDR_WMR? Do you know why?
 

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They’ve offered me either 30th of Nov or 6th Dec. I accepted both and just waiting to hear back whether I got a slot.

I wonder why @Pippa12 got some rail specific questions?

Did you say you also failed DMI @SCDR_WMR? Do you know why?
Indeed I did unfortunately. They say no feedback will be given but give a generic looking "things to do next time" which were things I'd done anyway like research the company, etc.

Possibly I'm not seeing them as being railway specific, I would imagine the answers are set. Definitely questions about the role and safety, and shift/fatigue management but can't remember anything that could be railway specific so to speak
 

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Oh I’m so sorry. What sort of questions did you have? I have zero rail experience so not feeling too hopeful now.

Where did you apply?

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Just got my email inviting me to computer assessment so looks like things may be moving again.
I had all sorts of questions, ranging from customer service to shift work etc. I have never done shift work so maybe that’s what put them off? I did tell them I was familiar with shift work though and understood the dedication it took as my partner does shift work in the hospital. I was asked about issues that I would come across as a train driver and how I would resolve them, what I would do if a manager was off and I encountered a problem whilst driving etc. I work alone every day for my job so I have no problems in that sense but I feel like they wanted be to be more specific on the issues I would face as a train driver and after identifying the obvious/generic ones they weren’t satisfied so I didn’t know what else to say. That’s why I think having an insight on the ins and outs of the industry would help massively
 

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I had all sorts of questions, ranging from customer service to shift work etc. I have never done shift work so maybe that’s what put them off? I did tell them I was familiar with shift work though and understood the dedication it took as my partner does shift work in the hospital. I was asked about issues that I would come across as a train driver and how I would resolve them, what I would do if a manager was off and I encountered a problem whilst driving etc. I work alone every day for my job so I have no problems in that sense but I feel like they wanted be to be more specific on the issues I would face as a train driver and after identifying the obvious/generic ones they weren’t satisfied so I didn’t know what else to say. That’s why I think having an insight on the ins and outs of the industry would help massively
Ahh I see what you mean now, the main ones for problems you man encounter really are people/animals on the line or infrastructure issues like wires down. I guess I hadn't thought of it as a railway issue per say as I do it without thinking in my current job. Apologies
 

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Ahh I see what you mean now, the main ones for problems you man encounter really are people/animals on the line or infrastructure issues like wires down. I guess I hadn't thought of it as a railway issue per say as I do it without thinking in my current job. Apologies
No worries! I suppose it comes down to “points” on each answer really doesn’t it, and if you don’t
/forget to mention certain things it can cause a fail! I think that’s whats happened in my intverview with a few of the questions.
 

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Indeed I did unfortunately. They say no feedback will be given but give a generic looking "things to do next time" which were things I'd done anyway like research the company, etc.
Ah I’m sorry. Must be really difficult. Will you just have to apply again in six months and just do the DMI again?

I had all sorts of questions, ranging from customer service to shift work etc. I have never done shift work so maybe that’s what put them off? I did tell them I was familiar with shift work though and understood the dedication it took as my partner does shift work in the hospital. I was asked about issues that I would come across as a train driver and how I would resolve them, what I would do if a manager was off and I encountered a problem whilst driving etc. I work alone every day for my job so I have no problems in that sense but I feel like they wanted be to be more specific on the issues I would face as a train driver and after identifying the obvious/generic ones they weren’t satisfied so I didn’t know what else to say. That’s why I think having an insight on the ins and outs of the industry would help massively
Yes I think I will struggle on being able to make them feel confident I have enough experience with shift work too.
 

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Ah I’m sorry. Must be really difficult. Will you just have to apply again in six months and just do the DMI again?


Yes I think I will struggle on being able to make them feel confident I have enough experience with shift work too.
Yes, I will apply in 6ish months or whenever they open again. Wit TfW you have 2 years from testing dates so will be sift and then DMI stage. Other TOCs take testing for up to 5 years also.

You don't necessarily need to prove you have experience of it if you don't, just be aware of what the risks are and how to counteract them/what would you do not what did you do.

I think I was too relaxed for my interview, they were chatty and so I was in return. Not ABC as the railway call it (Accurate, Brief, Clear). Next time I'll remember by cool, calm and collected mask.
 
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I think I was too relaxed for my interview, they were chatty and so I was in return. Not ABC as the railway call it (Accurate, Brief, Clear). Next time I'll remember by cool, calm and collected mask.

I always feel for any candidate who comes on here and concedes that their downfall was being too relaxed during their DMI. I've read other DMI threads where the interviewer has asked about golf handicaps and gym routines. Whether these are genuine attempts to calm the interviewee or a tactic to see if the mask slips one can only wonder.

Best of luck next time.
 

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I always feel for any candidate who comes on here and concedes that their downfall was being too relaxed during their DMI. I've read other DMI threads where the interviewer has asked about golf handicaps and gym routines. Whether these are genuine attempts to calm the interviewee or a tactic to see if the mask slips one can only wonder.

Best of luck next time.
Feeling more confident now as they won’t catch me out on golf handicaps or gym routines
 

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Just had an email to say I failed the DMI. Not surprised to be honest, I struggled with some of the questions that I feel those who didn’t work in the rail industry would struggle on, some of the questions I could have never prepared for! I was last to be interviewed and was there for 90 mins. I applied for a small depot with only 1 vacancy so knew the chances of getting it were slim.
Hi, sorry to hear about that.
 
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Rigvon

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Anybody else get an email offering dates for computer assessments last week for 30th Nov or 6th Dec and not heard back? I replied straight away and they either confirm you’ve missed out or confirm the interview on the same day but I’ve not had either confirmation.
 

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Anybody else get an email offering dates for computer assessments last week for 30th Nov or 6th Dec and not heard back? I replied straight away and they either confirm you’ve missed out or confirm the interview on the same day but I’ve not had either confirmation.
same, still waiting, applied for the 30th
 

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Ive just been informed that I have passed the initial assessment centre.

Could anyone point me in the right direction for how to study for the next computer tests?

I will browse back through this thread and have a detailed look but I just have a spare 5 minutes so thought I would post!
 

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Ive just been informed that I have passed the initial assessment centre.

Could anyone point me in the right direction for how to study for the next computer tests?

I will browse back through this thread and have a detailed look but I just have a spare 5 minutes so thought I would post!

Me too.

I dont think there is any real study you can do. Maybe prectice with 1 second flash cards and list the 5 objects in there. Like the kitchen scene in practice materials.

The grey dot is just good concentration I suppose (never done it so keeping focused for a length of time)

Hand coordination with joystick, again, start gaming ha...with a old joystick... (thats what I am going to do- any excuse to get my Amiga out)
Pass these 3 then its MMI. That will be my downfall.. Answering the 6 questions they gave us at the end
 

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