CCTV on trains

[hi2u_uk]

I was on a southeastern train going from Blackheath to London. It had at least 8 carriages.

The automated announcement said something like CCTV is in operation for your safety, but i was wondering who is monitoring the CCTV for my safety?

It can't be the driver can it as he/she is busy driving the train and opening the doors at the stations.

So who is monitoring the CCTV camera footage for my safety?

On this train i assume there is at least one in each carriage which makes at least 8 camera images to be monitored

 

[Ducatist4]

It'll just be recording in case its needed later - no one is constantly watching it.

 

[43066]

I was on a southeastern train going from blackheath to London . It had at least 8 carriages . The automated announcement said something like cctv is in operation for your safety but i was wondering who is monitoring the CCTV for my safety. It cant be the driver can it as he/she is busy driving the train and opening the doors at the stations. So who is monitoring the CCTV camera footage for my safety . On this train i assume there is at least one in each carriage which makes at least 8 camera images to be monitored

Nobody. It will be downloaded in the event of something serious happening.

 

[Flying Snail]

"CCTV is in operation so there is a slightly higher chance of identifying someone committing a crime in the unlikely event the Police are interested in investigating it" doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

[hi2u_uk]

so basically if im being attacked in a carriage or there is a crime or someone smoking then the cctv isnt going to help stop the activity that is in progress.
Its not really helping my safety if its going to be used after the event has occurred

 

[43066]

so basically if im being attacked in a carriage or there is a crime or someone smoking then the cctv isnt going to help stop the activity that is in progress.

Correct. Just like CCTV you might encounter anywhere else, really.

Its not really helping my safety if its going to be used after the event has occurred

It has a deterrent value, which is why the announcement is played.

 

[hi2u_uk]

Correct. Just like CCTV you might encounter anywhere else, really.



It has a deterrent value, which is why the announcement is played.

A lot of CCTV on streets , shops and london underground stations is monitored live so there is a chance of an intervention as and when a crime is happening. I have seen people smoking/vaping in trains , being very antisocial and begging making others feel unsafe and insecure but i suppose that without the announcement this would be a lot more frequent so i guess the announcement is a nice addition

 

[Stuart-h]

It'll probley record on to some sort of hard drive.

 

[Goldfish62]

so basically if im being attacked in a carriage or there is a crime or someone smoking then the cctv isnt going to help stop the activity that is in progress.
Its not really helping my safety if its going to be used after the event has occurred

CCTV has been invaluable in recent times for identifying and apprehending offenders on trains. It therefore acts as a deterrent and helps your safety.

 

[Ashley Hill]

On IETs guards can watch the CCTV live and observe all different parts of each carriage including outside.

 

[greatkingrat]

On some trains, if you pull the emergency alarm, it will automatically show the driver the CCTV from that carriage.

 

[dk1]

The guards on the 745/755 fleet can continually watch throughout the train & often announce for particular passengers to remove their feet from the seats or to move down in the train in times of overcrowding.

As drivers we can only see this when under 3mph or automatically appears on the TMS if a passcom has been operated. I occasionally use it at stations to ensure all wheelchair passengers/assisting staff have got off in the coach C disabled area before closing the doors.

 

[43066]

The guards on the 745/755 fleet can continually watch throughout the train & often announce for particular passengers to remove their feet from the seats or to move down in the train in times of overcrowding.

As drivers we can only see this when under 3mph or automatically appears on the TMS if a passcom has been operated. I occasionally use it at stations to ensure all wheelchair passengers/assisting staff have got off in the coach C disabled area before closing the doors.

No guards on SE metro trains since the early ‘90s!

 

[skyhigh]

It'll probley record on to some sort of hard drive.

And on newer/upgraded stock, the CCTV is actually able to be viewed live remotely. Nobody watches it constantly, but it can be viewed if needed.

 

[dk1]

No guards on SE metro trains since the early ‘90s!

Thanks. I didn’t think there would be. Sure it was only the South Western that retained them on everything.

 

[johntea]

There is usually quite a lot of 'red tape' around accessing and/or viewing CCTV footage, it isn't generally something any Joe Bloggs from the company can do!

A growing trend certainly on buses is a screen for the passengers showing them on live CCTV to make them aware they're on CCTV, how effective that is in reducing incidents I don't know

 

[yorkie]

I was on a southeastern train going from Blackheath to London. It had at least 8 carriages.

The automated announcement said something like CCTV is in operation for your safety, but i was wondering who is monitoring the CCTV for my safety?

It can't be the driver can it as he/she is busy driving the train and opening the doors at the stations.

So who is monitoring the CCTV camera footage for my safety?

On this train i assume there is at least one in each carriage which makes at least 8 camera images to be monitored

I think you may have misunderstood; did it actually say that the CCTV is being actively monitored?

 

[Goldfish62]

There is usually quite a lot of 'red tape' around accessing and/or viewing CCTV footage, it isn't generally something any Joe Bloggs from the company can do!

There are clear and straightforward processes in place for obtaining CCTV footage from buses, at least on the TfL network. And no, it's not Joe Bloggs that does it, but dedicated staff in specific roles!

 

[david1212]

On IETs guards can watch the CCTV live and observe all different parts of each carriage including outside.

The guards on the 745/755 fleet can continually watch throughout the train & often announce for particular passengers to remove their feet from the seats or to move down in the train in times of overcrowding.

As drivers we can only see this when under 3mph or automatically appears on the TMS if a passcom has been operated. I occasionally use it at stations to ensure all wheelchair passengers/assisting staff have got off in the coach C disabled area before closing the doors.

And on newer/upgraded stock, the CCTV is actually able to be viewed live remotely. Nobody watches it constantly, but it can be viewed if needed.

Going forward should DOO only be allowed if the train is equipped for remote CCTV monitoring, the live video is permanently on a screen in the control room and there is someone watching a bank of monitors like street CCTV ?

 

[dk1]

Going forward should DOO only be allowed if the train is equipped for remote CCTV monitoring, the live video is permanently on a screen in the control room and there is someone watching a bank of monitors like street CCTV ?

Not sure if further DOO will be allowed & definitely not if ASLEF has anything to do with it.

 

[43066]

Going forward should DOO only be allowed if the train is equipped for remote CCTV monitoring, the live video is permanently on a screen in the control room and there is someone watching a bank of monitors like street CCTV ?

I doubt that will ever happen! What would be the benefit really be of someone watching from many miles away from the train’s location?

 

[Skie]

I doubt that will ever happen! What would be the benefit really be of someone watching from many miles away from the train’s location?

BTP will have a live feed of all the Merseyrail 777s once they're in operation. I doubt someone will be sat there watching them, but if they get a report of something via 61016 then they'll be able to very quickly check the live feed of that train and respond appropriately.

 

[43066]

BTP will have a live feed of all the Merseyrail 777s once they're in operation. I doubt someone will be sat there watching them, but if they get a report of something via 61016 then they'll be able to very quickly check the live feed of that train and respond appropriately.

Good to hear - that’ll teach me to be cynical!

 

[Ashley Hill]

With 6 internal and 4 external door cameras on each IET car plus the forward facing and pantograph cameras on the driving cars,you’ll need an awful lot of screens to monitor the whole fleet.

 

[Hadders]

Going forward should DOO only be allowed if the train is equipped for remote CCTV monitoring, the live video is permanently on a screen in the control room and there is someone watching a bank of monitors like street CCTV ?

No.

How many CCTV cameras do you think an operator can actively monitor at one time? As others have said CCTV is deployed primarily to enable a post incident review to take place, not to actively check for crimes happening in real time.

DOO has operated for many, many years without CCTV (eg the Great Northern routes out of Kings Cross and Thameslink since the 1980s). At many stations dispatch was via platform cameras and monitors, on newer trains it’s usually cameras onboard the train.

 

[Falcon1200]

Going forward should DOO only be allowed if the train is equipped for remote CCTV monitoring, the live video is permanently on a screen in the control room

In addition to @Hadders points, how many screens would be required, given that each and every coach of every set would have a separate CCTV feed?!!

 

[fgwrich]

With 6 internal and 4 external door cameras on each IET car plus the forward facing and pantograph cameras on the driving cars,you’ll need an awful lot of screens to monitor the whole fleet.

Yes, and unfortunately a hard drive per coach. There's a lot of megapixels with those cameras, but at least they do provide CCTV of a very good quality - a lot better than some CCTV systems I've had to work with in the past.

 

[Horizon22]

It's normally stored for about 28 days the on-train CCTV. And no, as others have said, it's not being viewed live. Like the majority of the thousands of cameras in this country it is not used in real-time but instead as a) a deterrent, b) for safety and investigation purposes, and c) as evidence.

 

[SEGalaxy375]

I think you may have misunderstood; did it actually say that the CCTV is being actively monitor

Having use SE everyday it says "In the interest of your safety and security, CCTV is in operation of this train" something like that." at certain stations

 

[Flange Squeal]

Until SWR refurbished the Desiro fleet after they took over the franchise and did away with the “goldfish bowl” guard’s offices in the train, the 444s had a little screen in those that the Guard could scroll through the train’s CCTV on.