Liz Truss and the Conservative Party.

[Nicholas Lewis]

I mean they surely can’t have her doing another PMQs can they?

She’ll get absolutely taken to pieces and she’s literally got nothing she can really say at this point.

She doesn't answer the questions and Speaker Hoyle lets her get away with it as well

 

[duncanp]

The 'One Nation' group of Tory MPs meet on Mondays at 5 p.m Their 'guest' tonight is Liz Truss, anathema to most of them I would feel. Wonder whether she's turned up? I think she'll be out by Wednesday's PMQs.

She was only in the House Of Commons for 30 minutes today.

If she feels she is unable to defend the government's record at PMQs on Wednesday, she will resign beforehand.

Wouldn't surprise me if there isn't an announcement tomorrow.

 

[Yew]

Exactly. The majority of reuse of factories and new build is warehousing and distribution where most jobs pay minimum wage or just above.
Further it is 6 years since the Brexit vote yet, correct me if wrong, we have not significantly reduced imports by increasing UK manufacturing / producing and hence increased self-sufficiency.

The worst thing is that when it's been done, such as say the Nissan factory in darlington, it's generally been successful at creating good jobs. Unfortunately skilled jobs around design are still based abroad mainly.

 

[GS250]

Exactly. The majority of reuse of factories and new build is warehousing and distribution where most jobs pay minimum wage or just above.
Further it is 6 years since the Brexit vote yet, correct me if wrong, we have not significantly reduced imports by increasing UK manufacturing / producing and hence increased self-sufficiency.

Agreed. Whenever I see a bold statement regarding a new industrial development I can't help but thinking it will be 90% minimum wage esque jobs. Saying that though there are going to be other jobs attached to the facility such as IT contracting, building etc even if they aren't actually employed by the company.

And yes with a poorly performing pound and ability to transform the landscape post brexit...where is the industrial output? Granted covid has effectively stopped the clock for two years. Gut feeling is we just don't have the expertise at government level to drive things forward.

Give those very best small-med business entrepreneurs charge of negotiations and growth and we'd have this country sorted in that respect.

 

[simonw]

Exactly. The majority of reuse of factories and new build is warehousing and distribution where most jobs pay minimum wage or just above.
Further it is 6 years since the Brexit vote yet, correct me if wrong, we have not significantly reduced imports by increasing UK manufacturing / producing and hence increased self-sufficiency.

Did anyone really believe that Brexit would lead to an increase in manufacturing jobs in the UK? If so, why did they think this?

 

[Gloster]

Did anyone really believe that Brexit would lead to an increase in manufacturing jobs in the UK? If so, why did they think this?

Because they were assured by a load of politicians and the like, led by that charismatic c*n man Johnson, that all sorts of wonderful things, including more jobs, would happen. And a large part of the media cheered him on, supported him and rubbished as part of Project Fear anyone who tried to say differently.

 

[Howardh]

I could agree with VAT if it was a tax on luxuries such as £1000 handbags and yachts, however the fact that it is levied on such a vast range of goods and services means that it is just a drag on lower household incomes and the economy.

If you put it on income tax instead, at least the burden could be proportioned according to ability to pay.

Didn't we used to have a "luxury tax" or was that just VAT under a different name? But i would love a super-tax on luxury goods, if someone can afford a watch @£2000 then they can afford another £200 in luxury tax on top of VAT.

Couldn't that be the one Brexit Bonus, applying taxes on goods and being able to stop lower-taxed items coming in??

Note emboldened, if anyone can find a £1000 yacht I'm in!! (Yes I know what's not what you meant...)

 

[yorksrob]

Didn't we used to have a "luxury tax" or was that just VAT under a different name? But i would love a super-tax on luxury goods, if someone can afford a watch @£2000 then they can afford another £200 in luxury tax on top of VAT.

Couldn't that be the one Brexit Bonus, applying taxes on goods and being able to stop lower-taxed items coming in??

Note emboldened, if anyone can find a £1000 yacht I'm in!! (Yes I know what's not what you meant...)

Whilst I'd have no objection to a genuine luxury tax, realistically it's not going to raise anything near VAT alas !

 

[Busaholic]

She was only in the House Of Commons for 30 minutes today.

If she feels she is unable to defend the government's record at PMQs on Wednesday, she will resign beforehand.
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Wouldn't surprise me if there isn't an announcement tomorrow.

Wouldn't surprise me either: tomorrow's newspaper front pages in about two hours time will make very interesting reading, particularly in the majority right wing press. She might even have resigned before then.

Morduant is no political ingenue. Why did she pointedly say Truss was not hiding under a desk? Seems to me to be indicating disrespect, if not contempt, for the temporary P.M.

 

[david1212]

Did anyone really believe that Brexit would lead to an increase in manufacturing jobs in the UK? If so, why did they think this?

Because they were assured by a load of politicians and the like, led by that charismatic c*n man Johnson, that all sorts of wonderful things, including more jobs, would happen. And a large part of the media cheered him on, supported him and rubbished as part of Project Fear anyone who tried to say differently.

Aside from the bovine byproduct it ought to have done. Two reasons are cutting out the administration of imports and being free from Brussels bureaucracy and regulations. If UK costs are not comparible with France, Germany, Italy at least something is wrong.
A third on paper was being able to reallocate the government contributions no longer paid to the EU. While the UK received EU grants given the grants also paid to countries who could contribute little logically the UK overall paid out. I admit I have not researched the reality.

It always grieved me that Peugeot both closed Ryton ( Coventry ) and received an EU grant for a new production facility in Slovakia.

The stark reality though was that the strikes a few years before must have contributed to the decision, at the time I stated this could happen.

 

[Howardh]

Wouldn't surprise me either: tomorrow's newspaper front pages in about two hours time will make very interesting reading, particularly in the majority right wing press. She might even have resigned before then.

Morduant is no political ingenue. Why did she pointedly say Truss was not hiding under a desk? Seems to me to be indicating disrespect, if not contempt, for the temporary P.M.

Don't think she could say what she was doing as she probably didn't know, or didn't want to say eg. a meeting with Brady.

If I were Mourdant I'd have said "she's not under a desk but has anyone looked in the fridge?"

Might have ended my political career but went out on a high!

 

[Gloster]

Frankly, if she is still there on Wednesday, she has to produce a brilliant PMQs or she is finished. It will have to be measured, balanced, sensible and capable of getting most of her MPs cheering. If she fails to do that, she really ought to go back to her desk and write her resignation. But I doubt she would.

Aside from the bovine byproduct it ought to have done. Two reasons are cutting out the administration of imports and being free from Brussels bureaucracy and regulations. If UK costs are not comparible with France, Germany, Italy at least something is wrong.
A third on paper was being able to reallocate the government contributions no longer paid to the EU. While the UK received EU grants given the grants also paid to countries who could contribute little logically the UK overall paid out. I admit I have not researched the reality.

Well, that worked out well, didn’t it. There is far more bureaucracy than there was before and, if I understand correctly, there is likely to be even more once the agreements are fully implemented. If we want to sell anything to the EU we still have to comply with their regulations, but we no longer have any input into their creation. And, although there was a net payment into EU funds, it was a lot less than was claimed and could have been even less if we had got our act together.

 

[simonw]

Aside from the bovine byproduct it ought to have done. Two reasons are cutting out the administration of imports and being free from Brussels bureaucracy and regulations. If UK costs are not comparible with France, Germany, Italy at least something is wrong.
A third on paper was being able to reallocate the government contributions no longer paid to the EU. While the UK received EU grants given the grants also paid to countries who could contribute little logically the UK overall paid out. I admit I have not researched the reality.

It always grieved me that Peugeot both closed Ryton ( Coventry ) and received an EU grant for a new production facility in Slovakia.

The stark reality though was that the strikes a few years before must have contributed to the decision, at the time I stated this could happen.

None of this would lead to increased UK attractiveness

 

[Sm5]

I could agree with VAT if it was a tax on luxuries such as £1000 handbags and yachts, however the fact that it is levied on such a vast range of goods and services means that it is just a drag on lower household incomes and the economy.

If you put it on income tax instead, at least the burden could be proportioned according to ability to pay.

Putting it on income tax doesnt change the imbalance for the likes of Amazon, ebay, starbucks etc… the profit goes out, the cost comes in and the balance sheet looks red, when its really rosy pink…. Meanwhile the shop next door goes under due to heavy taxation. We end up with the social cost and declining high st.

 

[Gloster]

Speculation that Truss missed the questions because she was meeting Graham Brady, who may have been offering her a last chance to resign with what little dignity that she can muster (the equivalent of the pistol and bottle of whisky) before she gets turfed out. Which is why she looked so shaken when she appeared on the chamber.

The 1922 Committee apparently can’t do anything until Wednesday as two of its committee members were made ministers and nothing can be done until their places have been filled.

 

[GS250]

It always grieved me that Peugeot both closed Ryton ( Coventry ) and received an EU grant for a new production facility in Slovakia.

Well...that's the EU for you. Trying to level up and invest into the East. Nice idea in principle of course but there will be winners and losers.

Anyone else hear Hunt pleading for some to give Truss a chance? That's it...it has to be over. That's like the Biology Technician having to take over a classroom full of rowdy pupils as the teacher cowers under the desk.

 

[SuspectUsual]

She doesn't answer the questions and Speaker Hoyle lets her get away with it as well

To be fair to Truss (oh how dirty I feel just typing that!) that’s been the case at PMQs for generations.

 

[Kite159]

Speculation that Truss missed the questions because she was meeting Graham Brady, who may have been offering her a last chance to resign with what little dignity that she can muster (the equivalent of the pistol and bottle of whisky) before she gets turfed out. Which is why she looked so shaken when she appeared on the chamber.

The 1922 Committee apparently can’t do anything until Wednesday as two of its committee members were made ministers and nothing can be done until their places have been filled.

Although Brady was pictured in the commons at the time it was claimed she was meeting with him

 

[WizCastro197]

Speculation that Truss missed the questions because she was meeting Graham Brady, who may have been offering her a last chance to resign with what little dignity that she can muster (the equivalent of the pistol and bottle of whisky) before she gets turfed out. Which is why she looked so shaken when she appeared on the chamber.

The 1922 Committee apparently can’t do anything until Wednesday as two of its committee members were made ministers and nothing can be done until their places have been filled.

I am not sure? I could’ve sworn I saw him at that Urgenr Questions meeting a lot a lot before Truss finally entered.


On a backbench towards the side.


She looked rather sleepy though.

 

[DarloRich]

Just seen the Truss interview with the BBC that was broadcast this evening. She is gone. Empty, spent, crushed. Finished. So robotic. So soulless. She couldn't even manage to say sorry correctly.

And the blinking! ¡Ay, caramba! The anxiety and self deception contained therein must be tearing her apart. She is just not up to the job. She needs to call an election.

 

[nlogax]

Truss has given an absolutely crap interview with the BBC this evening. She has all the empathy of a breeze block and only half the presentation skill. Plus side ,' anti growth coalition' as the description of an imaginary enemy has died a death. And she's said 'sorry' a couple of times. So that's ok then.

Sticking with what I said previously. Three, maybe four weeks and she's out on her rear end.

 

[GS250]

Just seen the Truss interview with the BBC that was broadcast this evening. She is gone. Empty, spent, crushed. Finished. So robotic. So soulless. She couldn't even manage to say sorry correctly.

And the blinking! ¡Ay, caramba! The anxiety and self deception contained therein must be tearing her apart. She is just not up to the job. She needs to call an election.

Cringeworthy to the extreme. Yes...there's a modicum of decency apologising. But it was almost as bad as Prince Andrew car crash interview.

 

[Gloster]

That was why I was careful to say speculation. Maybe he had seen her just before and left her with the pistol and whisky, but she failed to take the hint. (That is not even speculation.)

Although Brady was pictured in the commons at the time it was claimed she was meeting with him

I am not sure? I could’ve sworn I saw him at that Urgenr Questions meeting a lot a lot before Truss finally entered.

 

[SuspectUsual]

She will have been prepped like never before for that interview. And that was what we got. If she has an ounce of self-respect or cares a fig for the country she’ll be off to see the king tomorrow

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

She will have been prepped like never before for that interview. And that was what we got. If she has an ounce of self-respect or cares a fig for the country she’ll be off to see the king tomorrow

It would be a fabulous outcome to see her shaft the MPs that want her out and take them all down but can't see her selling the Tories down the drainhole.

 

[brad465]

I mean they surely can’t have her doing another PMQs can they?

She’ll get absolutely taken to pieces and she’s literally got nothing she can really say at this point.

She could get Coffey to stand in, then Starmer or Rayner could ask her about admitting to breaking the law in prescription drugs, which might provide Truss with a distraction.

 

[Busaholic]

That was why I was careful to say speculation. Maybe he had seen her just before and left her with the pistol and whisky, but she failed to take the hint. (That is not even speculation.)

Probably got it the wrong way round and necked the pistol before turning the Old Haig (or Hague!) on herself.

 

[Lost property]

It was nice of our outgoing PM to offer a classical oxymoron, notably, "an honest politician "....presumably she wasn't including herself or any member of the Tory party since Cameron became PM in this term...

I'll lead Tories into next election, says embattled Liz Truss

The PM apologises for mistakes, after her chancellor tears up almost all of her tax-cutting agenda.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jupiter]

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Morduant is no political ingenue. Why did she pointedly say Truss was not hiding under a desk? Seems to me to be indicating disrespect, if not contempt, for the temporary P.M.

In a part that was cut, somewhat misleadingly in my view, she was previously asked the question from the labour benches something along the lines of “where is she, hiding under a desk somewhere?”. Hence the answer which out of context does look disrespectful.

 

[AlterEgo]

Personally, I just find it so odd that the Tories are already allegedly plotting to remove Liz Truss as leader. If they genuinely don't believe that she is fit for the job then I'm lead to question why she was ever elected in the first place.

The MPs didn't vote for her. The members did. And that should never happen again; Conservative party members, in the aggregate, are myopic, inward-looking and self-serving and completely detached from what the wider electorate might want.