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TSSA strike GWR 6 and 7 October

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I can't understand why the TSSA strike 6 and 7 October on GWR is having such an effect. Very few services are running.

As drivers guards and signallers are all working normally why are so few services running ? Also GWR are getting 2 days most other operators only striking for one. Have GWR been particularly unwilling to negotiate !
 
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It may seem surprising, but train operators also need operational staff and managers to function. TSSA staff can be found in many operational areas. Without them, trains can't run.

The strike is runinng from midday 6th to midday 7th. Designed, no doubt, to cause maximum disruption across two days.
 

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It may seem surprising, but train operators also need operational staff and managers to function. TSSA staff can be found in many operational areas. Without them, trains can't run.

The strike is runinng from midday 6th to midday 7th. Designed, no doubt, to cause maximum disruption across two days.
The question for me is, is GWR more affected than other TOCs by the TSSA strike?
 

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They are not more affected. Still a 24 hour strike just being structured differently. TSSA covers Control staff & Driver/Conductor managers etc. hence no trains.
 

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Very poor show to have no trains on the North Downs line for four days in a row.
 

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I’m going to Oxford today. Accept why trains are only hourly but as fewer trains are running could they not be nine cars not five?
 

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Very poor show to have no trains on the North Downs line for four days in a row.
I assume it isn't fesiabke to put together a diagram that ensure no trains run beyond 12 pm today and that trains can run from 12 pm tomorrow

I'd have thought running trains from 12 pm tomorrow would be easier to diagram than stopping trains by 12 pm today. However it requires timetable planning so might be too much work.
 

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Very poor show to have no trains on the North Downs line for four days in a row.

What else can you do if there’s a strike? Some routes on SWR had no service for an entire week with some of the guards strikes.
 

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I assume it isn't fesiabke to put together a diagram that ensure no trains run beyond 12 pm today and that trains can run from 12 pm tomorrow

I'd have thought running trains from 12 pm tomorrow would be easier to diagram than stopping trains by 12 pm today. However it requires timetable planning so might be too much work.
And timetable planners would be TSSA members so hardly likely to be offering to work overtime to undermine their own action.
 

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Same with much of the EMR regional side leaving most routes without trains for 4 to 5 days.
(Obviously off-thread for GWR, but... )

I thought that the EMR Regional issues were around Unite depot staff taking industrial action. There are four main unions in the industry, in dispute in various places right now.
 

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Control staff at GWR are represented by TSSA. If they are on strike, I’m pretty sure that means the service is not operable - don’t think there would be enough managers to cover.
 

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(Obviously off-thread for GWR, but... )

I thought that the EMR Regional issues were around Unite depot staff taking industrial action. There are four main unions in the industry, in dispute in various places right now.
They are. Fitters, shunters etc from Unite - makes keeping things going very difficult indeed.
 

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Control staff at GWR are represented by TSSA. If they are on strike, I’m pretty sure that means the service is not operable - don’t think there would be enough managers to cover.

Depends what they would be covering for, but yes.
 

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Generally speaking, TSSA are thought of to represent the grades who, if they went on strike, wouldn't cause much of an operational impact to the railway. Membership rates are typically lower amongst eligible grades than RMT or ASLEF achieve - and with zero disrespect to my colleagues, the trains don't usually stop running if the booking office is shut; or train planning aren't writing next month's engineering amendments.

Today and Tomorrow blow that fallacy clear out of the water. Control staff striking can and are making an impact on behalf of those roles whose withdrawal of labour aren't strongly felt.

There are significant risks running a train service with control so short-handed; so the number of routes operated needs to be culled down. The number of trains on those routes at any one time needs to be reduced. The number of staff and units working the services that remain need to be drawn down to a bare minimum. With limited control staff on duty, there aren't as many pairs of eyes making sure units don't exceed their fuel ranges; aren't as many to book taxis to get traincrew into the right places for their work; aren't as many to keep customers up to date during any disruption or ultimately, make arrangements to get them home when the trains can't.

I am genuinely sorry that there is disruption tomorrow. To a man person, none of my control colleagues wants to be causing this much disruption to our customers - we are all passionate about our jobs; and while it may not seem it to the armchair critics, in normal times we do everything in our power and more to respond as well as we can to disruption. You don't hear the tales of control doing a great job because when we do it isn't noticed. But these aren't normal times any more. None of us has had a pay rise since early 2019; we're not listened to during consultations despite our obvious expertise; train operating companies (jointly) can't give any reassurances over what will happen to TOC Control staff under GBR, and all it's heralding of eliminating duplication of work. But above all we can give teeth and a voice to those in much lower-paid TSSA-represented roles - Booking Office Clerks, Train Planning Assistants, Delay Attributors, Social Media team; who are really struggling and in many cases openly facing redundancy if this industrial action does not succeed. A line eventually has to be drawn and a stand taken. Today and Tomorrow we stand on that line.
 

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That has to be the best post I've read on here for some time. It really makes it clear how important these roles are, and I wish those affected the best of luck in getting things sorted. Here's hoping it gets done ASAP!
 

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Generally speaking, TSSA are thought of to represent the grades who, if they went on strike, wouldn't cause much of an operational impact to the railway. Membership rates are typically lower amongst eligible grades than RMT or ASLEF achieve - and with zero disrespect to my colleagues, the trains don't usually stop running if the booking office is shut; or train planning aren't writing next month's engineering amendments.

Today and Tomorrow blow that fallacy clear out of the water. Control staff striking can and are making an impact on behalf of those roles whose withdrawal of labour aren't strongly felt.

There are significant risks running a train service with control so short-handed; so the number of routes operated needs to be culled down. The number of trains on those routes at any one time needs to be reduced. The number of staff and units working the services that remain need to be drawn down to a bare minimum. With limited control staff on duty, there aren't as many pairs of eyes making sure units don't exceed their fuel ranges; aren't as many to book taxis to get traincrew into the right places for their work; aren't as many to keep customers up to date during any disruption or ultimately, make arrangements to get them home when the trains can't.

I am genuinely sorry that there is disruption tomorrow. To a man person, none of my control colleagues wants to be causing this much disruption to our customers - we are all passionate about our jobs; and while it may not seem it to the armchair critics, in normal times we do everything in our power and more to respond as well as we can to disruption. You don't hear the tales of control doing a great job because when we do it isn't noticed. But these aren't normal times any more. None of us has had a pay rise since early 2019; we're not listened to during consultations despite our obvious expertise; train operating companies (jointly) can't give any reassurances over what will happen to TOC Control staff under GBR, and all it's heralding of eliminating duplication of work. But above all we can give teeth and a voice to those in much lower-paid TSSA-represented roles - Booking Office Clerks, Train Planning Assistants, Delay Attributors, Social Media team; who are really struggling and in many cases openly facing redundancy if this industrial action does not succeed. A line eventually has to be drawn and a stand taken. Today and Tomorrow we stand on that line.
Great post, Solidarity
 

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Generally speaking, TSSA are thought of to represent the grades who, if they went on strike, wouldn't cause much of an operational impact to the railway. Membership rates are typically lower amongst eligible grades than RMT or ASLEF achieve - and with zero disrespect to my colleagues, the trains don't usually stop running if the booking office is shut; or train planning aren't writing next month's engineering amendments.

Today and Tomorrow blow that fallacy clear out of the water. Control staff striking can and are making an impact on behalf of those roles whose withdrawal of labour aren't strongly felt.

There are significant risks running a train service with control so short-handed; so the number of routes operated needs to be culled down. The number of trains on those routes at any one time needs to be reduced. The number of staff and units working the services that remain need to be drawn down to a bare minimum. With limited control staff on duty, there aren't as many pairs of eyes making sure units don't exceed their fuel ranges; aren't as many to book taxis to get traincrew into the right places for their work; aren't as many to keep customers up to date during any disruption or ultimately, make arrangements to get them home when the trains can't.

I am genuinely sorry that there is disruption tomorrow. To a man person, none of my control colleagues wants to be causing this much disruption to our customers - we are all passionate about our jobs; and while it may not seem it to the armchair critics, in normal times we do everything in our power and more to respond as well as we can to disruption. You don't hear the tales of control doing a great job because when we do it isn't noticed. But these aren't normal times any more. None of us has had a pay rise since early 2019; we're not listened to during consultations despite our obvious expertise; train operating companies (jointly) can't give any reassurances over what will happen to TOC Control staff under GBR, and all it's heralding of eliminating duplication of work. But above all we can give teeth and a voice to those in much lower-paid TSSA-represented roles - Booking Office Clerks, Train Planning Assistants, Delay Attributors, Social Media team; who are really struggling and in many cases openly facing redundancy if this industrial action does not succeed. A line eventually has to be drawn and a stand taken. Today and Tomorrow we stand on that line.
And that's the problem. When you're doing a good job, no one notices, as they have no idea what controllers do
 

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If there are enough staff on.duty for say the London to Oxford service to run, why then is it not running the full half hourly service if all the train staff are in and not on strike. Same.for the Didcot to London local service.
 

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If there are enough staff on.duty for say the London to Oxford service to run, why then is it not running the full half hourly service if all the train staff are in and not on strike. Same.for the Didcot to London local service.

There are significant risks running a train service with control so short-handed; so the number of routes operated needs to be culled down. The number of trains on those routes at any one time needs to be reduced. The number of staff and units working the services that remain need to be drawn down to a bare minimum. With limited control staff on duty, there aren't as many pairs of eyes making sure units don't exceed their fuel ranges; aren't as many to book taxis to get traincrew into the right places for their work; aren't as many to keep customers up to date during any disruption or ultimately, make arrangements to get them home when the trains can't.
 

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So why is this only happening on GWR lines other lines out of London seam to be near normal.
 

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That explained it a bit but whats the point, surely everyone needs to strike at the same time to get anywhere
 

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That explained it a bit but whats the point, surely everyone needs to strike at the same time to get anywhere

Why “waste” a day not being paid as a Guard or a Controller, when no/few trains are running anyway because the drivers are already on Strike.

The three unions can instead coordinate to different but close dates; such that their members only each lose 1 shift for being on strike; but collectively the 3 unions cause a whole week of disruption.

If all 3 went out at once, you’d only cause one-two days of impact per day lost for members.

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That has to be the best post I've read on here for some time. It really makes it clear how important these roles are, and I wish those affected the best of luck in getting things sorted. Here's hoping it gets done ASAP!

Great post, Solidarity

Thanks both, I too hope for a swift resolution!
 

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If all 3 went out at once, you’d only cause one-two days of impact per day lost for members.

And yet all 4 were out last Saturday. Must be some disagreement in the unions about strategy …
 

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What happens if a train develops a defect? What happens if a driver goes sick? Who manages the incident?
If there are enough staff on.duty for say the London to Oxford service to run, why then is it not running the full half hourly service if all the train staff are in and not on strike. Same.for the Didcot to London local service.
 

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Any idea why GWR were putting out conflicting statements this morning in terms of services that were expected to run?

A tweet at 6am (https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1578248811381772290) said that all journeys must be completed by 18.30 but a second tweet at 7am (https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1578263931168112640) showed last journeys much much later than that. The planned timetable that was in journey planners seems to agree with the second tweet rather than the first.

Was this first one a mistake do we think, or did GWR initially think they had less staff available than planned?
 

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Was this first one a mistake do we think, or did GWR initially think they had less staff available than planned?

Mistake I think, perhaps mixing up Thursday Service (where journeys were generally finishing up by 1830); with today.

The TSSA strike action finished at 1200; so all control staff rostered late and night shift will be in, so from our perspective there are no longer any barriers to a full service - my colleagues will be in delivering what's left of this evenings timetable, ensuring everything is set up ready and right for tomorrow's reduced service due to RMT (including NR Signallers) taking their turn for Industrial Action.

And yet all 4 were out last Saturday. Must be some disagreement in the unions about strategy …

I think it's a bit more nuanced than that - There are different dates for different unions at different companies.

TSSA weren't out at GWR; but I believe they were at NR.
 
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