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Liz Truss and the Conservative Party.

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Some readers may recall the 'Unassailable' Chancellor of the Exchequer, Nigel Lawson: https://www.desmog.com/2014/11/05/lawson-s-break-thatcher/
(For some he has to his credit produced the 'domestic goddess' Nigella)

Perhaps the less than unassailable current post-holder may have the opportunity of inspecting a 'Boris Bus' from the underside, or making use of a Tebbit Bike.

Nothing to learn from history.

Though if she does throw Kwarteng under a bus and pretends it was his idea alone, I doubt the electorate will be impressed. Plus, they're only holding on to their plan because it's the two of them and they can both defend each other.

At the end of the day she is weak and incompetent. She is no Thatcher and she is no Johnson, even though she desperately wants to be both. Without Kwarteng to support her she'll be toast. Particularly as he strikes me as the stronger character of the two, and if she crosses him, I suspect he will make mincemeat of her.
 
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Somehow I don't think the Conservative party will be pleased with the verdicts of Sir John Curtice and Frank Luntz at Conservative party conference fringe events:


The Labour Party are "very clearly the favourites" to form the next government, pollster Sir John Curtice has told Tory activists in Birmingham.
New PM Liz Truss was now as unpopular with voters as Boris Johnson was when he was ousted, said Sir John.
And even if Labour's current double digit poll lead reduced before the next election in 2024, Labour were still likely to gain power, he suggested.
His analysis was greeted with dismay and cries of "wow" from activists.
The veteran pollster, who masterminds general election exit polls, said Labour already had a nine point lead in the polls when Ms Truss won last month's Tory leadership election and she had not enjoyed a honeymoon period.

Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng's tax-cutting mini-budget last Friday - and the market reaction to it - had produced a 7% swing to Labour, he said.
"The truth is, whatever the merits of Liz Truss's package, it has resulted in very serious electoral damage to the Conservatives as an institution and to this new leader," he told the Demos fringe meeting.
The swing to Labour was similar in size to that seen on Black Wednesday in 1992, the first time the policies of a Conservative government had produced turmoil on the money markets.
If voters remembered the events of the past week when they go to the polls in two years' time, Labour could be on course for a three figure majority, said Sir John, even if Ms Truss's policies work as intended and produce economic growth.
In the event of a hung Parliament, opposition parties would be unlikely to prop up a minority Tory administration, he suggested, which made Labour clear favourites to gain power.
Tory activists received a similarly sobering message at an earlier fringe meeting, from pollster with links to the party.
Veteran US pollster Frank Luntz told them: "If you want to win, stop bitching, stop griping, stop complaining and get [it] together."
He said the party's MPs had to start communicating with voters in a language they understood, and talking about things which mattered to them.
He also took aim at defeated Tory leadership contender and former chancellor Rishi Sunak, who has opted to stay away from this week's conference.
"Where is Rishi Sunak? Why is he not here?" he asked the audience of Tory members.
If Mr Sunak was here he could "start to unify the party, you guys can go forward together," added Mr Luntz.
"When people don't even show up, what are the voters supposed to think?"

In a scathing assessment of Liz Truss's first weeks in power, Rachel Wolf, who co-wrote the Conservatives' 2019 election manifesto, said the new prime minister had no mandate from voters or her own MPs for the "ambitious" Thatcherite agenda she was pursuing.
She accused Ms Truss of "appearing not to care" about the impact her policies will have on voters worried about the cost of living,
"People are feeling poorer," she added, and they don't think the solutions Liz Truss has come up with "make any sense".
Ms Wolf, co-founder of polling company Public First, and a former adviser to Michael Gove, picked apart Ms Truss's claim to be a strong leader in the mould of Margaret Thatcher, and not afraid of unpopular policies.
The crucial difference between the two, she argued, was that Lady Thatcher had an electoral and Parliamentary mandate for her policies and was capable of articulating them in way that resonated with ordinary voters.
"Thatcher was always a strong leader," she told the meeting, "but she was of the people, she spoke in their language".
Pursuing an "ambitious Thatcherite agenda" without a mandate was a recipe for disaster at the polls, she suggested, and she hoped Conservative MPs could at least start to demonstrate some unity and competence.
She also had a message for Sir Keir Starmer.
"People are voting against the government but they are not voting for Labour, That might quite possibly be enough but it is the thing I would be most worried about if I were him.
"The thing that always comes up with Starmer, and still does, is that he has no views, no ideas of his own."
Asked about the qualities needed in a modern leader, she said: "It's very hard to support a leader who is uninterested in, or despises, you.
"It's not whether they are strong, whether they have a view of their own, if they fundamentally don't seem to like their electorate very much, or don't think they are worth considering it's very hard to vote for them."
 

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Though if she does throw Kwarteng under a bus and pretends it was his idea alone, I doubt the electorate will be impressed. Plus, they're only holding on to their plan because it's the two of them and they can both defend each other.

At the end of the day she is weak and incompetent. She is no Thatcher and she is no Johnson, even though she desperately wants to be both. Without Kwarteng to support her she'll be toast. Particularly as he strikes me as the stronger character of the two, and if she crosses him, I suspect he will make mincemeat of her.
She is but she knows majority of Tory party wont throw her under a bus as they already know they are at high risk at next GE of losing seats so won't want to have leave there high paid job opening lots of doors for them prematurely.
 

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Though if she does throw Kwarteng under a bus and pretends it was his idea alone, I doubt the electorate will be impressed. Plus, they're only holding on to their plan because it's the two of them and they can both defend each other.

It was a breathtakingly stupid thing to say, and 99.999% likely to be untrue. In a corporate world comparison, no CFO would announce a fundamental change to the way the business operated without the CEO’s agreement, unless they wanted to booted out the next day.

But she did seem keen to distance herself from it all, there few plenty of references to the independence of the Bank of England
 

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She is but she knows majority of Tory party wont throw her under a bus as they already know they are at high risk at next GE of losing seats so won't want to have leave there high paid job opening lots of doors for them prematurely.
I think the counter argument is that there is no point hanging around for an inevitable loss, and many of them can be making as much or more elsewhere if mad Liz hasn't been allowed to wreck the economy before they go
 

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You know the chats on here (and the energy prices) thread about Liz Truss and others constantly mentioning the price cap of £2,500 on energy?

Well, British Gas is now taking out full-page ads in newspapers to correct the misinformation!


Are energy bills being capped at £2.5k?

No, it's unit prices that are being capped.


To avoid any confusion, it's actually the unit cost of energy that is being capped. Not your total bill.

£2,500 is what an average household will pay. So your bill might be lower or higher depending on how much energy you use.

For energy saving support and for more straight answers, search British Gas
 

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Labour seemed to be gaining about 5% a day last week, if it carries on like this I think they might go a bit beyond favourites... and the last poll I saw put Truss as less well liked than Boris at his worst, which is quite an achievement in about a week of actual government.

I'm in that safe tory seat of Tiverton & Honiton, that place of the 18,000 vote swing. You can imagine how safely not tory it is right now, so just apply that to everywhere else...
 

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Now rumoured they are going to ditch the 45% tax cut, Kwarteng can't stay after that surely? What a fiasco, how this regime has collapsed into chaos already.
 

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Now rumoured they are going to ditch the 45% tax cut, Kwarteng can't stay after that surely? What a fiasco, how this regime has collapsed into chaos already.
Now the main story on the BBC front page:


Statement expected within one hour. I doubt the BBC would run this on their front page if it was just a rumour.

Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng is expected to make a statement in the next hour, reversing the proposed scrapping of the 45p rate of income tax, 10 days after it was announced in the mini-budget.
The U-turn comes after several Tory MPs voiced their opposition to the plan.
BBC political correspondent Nick Eardley said government sources were not commenting.
Ex-cabinet minister Grant Shapps had warned Liz Truss could lose a Commons vote on the proposal.
The plan to scrap the 45p rate, paid by people earning over £150,000 a year, had been criticised as unfair at time of rising living costs.
On Sunday, the prime minister told the BBC she was committed to it, saying it was part of an "overall package of making our tax system simpler and lower".

This must be one of the quickest and most damaging Government U-turns ever?
 

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It’s almost as if they should consult before announcing stuff
I guess when one of your first acts is to sack one of the most experienced senior civil servants in the Treasury, consulting becomes a bit more difficult?
 

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I guess when one of your first acts is to sack one of the most experienced senior civil servants in the Treasury, consulting becomes a bit more difficult?

That doesn’t help but there are plenty of other people that can be consulted, and from what he’s saying now it looks like it was feedback from other Tory MPs that made the difference.

But at the very least stuff as fundamental as this should be discussed in cabinet
 

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That doesn’t help but there are plenty of other people that can be consulted, and from what he’s saying now it looks like it was feedback from other Tory MPs that made the difference.

But at the very least stuff as fundamental as this should be discussed in cabinet

It probably was discussed in cabinet. But Truss (and Johnson) fill their cabinet posts based on loyalty to the leader rather than trying to create a cabinet with a range of views and experiences.

It is telling that it seems to be interventions from Gove and Shapps that have lead to this. Whatever you think of that pair politically, they both have actual experience of running government departments, and perhaps understand what's needed for the party to retain the support of the people who elected them in 2019.
 

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The problem will be if they think that this is enough - job done. There's still 40bn of unfunded tax cuts which will still have to come out of borrowing or cuts to services.

This is nothing short of an attempt to impose American, republican style economic philosophy on the public with no mandate whatsoever.
 

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"We get it, and we have listened"


(Tweet from Kwasi Kwarteng confirming a u-turn on scrapping the 45p rate)
This does mean that any policy the backbenchers don't like, they know that if they make enough fuss, the government may back down. And, given the polls, backbenchers will be listening to voters, but she doesn't have the money for an electoral bribe. She is, as Blair once said to then PM Major at PMQs, "Weak, weak, weak.' And in less than a month of taking office.

I wonder how the attendees at the cocktail party - the merchant bankers, the financiers, the stockbrokers - will react? No more champagne for Kwasi!

Unfortunately, they have also spoilt Shapps' finest hour!
 

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This does mean that any policy the backbenchers don't like, they know that if they make enough fuss, the government may back down. And, given the polls, backbenchers will be listening to voters, but she doesn't have the money for an electoral bribe. She is, as Blair once said to then PM Major at PMQs, "Weak, weak, weak.' And in less than a month of taking office.

I wonder how the attendees at the cocktail party - the merchant bankers, the financiers, the stockbrokers - will react? No more champagne for Kwasi!

Unfortunately, they have also spoilt Shapps' finest hour!
They'll have made enough from insider trading speculating on the markets.
 

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To misquote Norman Tebbit, the last thing we want in Government are a load of investment bankers doing eachother favours.
 

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I see it’s being reported that Re-Smog wants to scrap loads of workers’ rights and other protections in smaller firms.
 

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Hopefully, LT will learn that when in a hole, you stop digging. Though whether politicos ever learn, is another matter...:'(:'(

Ah, this may explain Boris's love affair with JCB's products, albeit, sadly, he never carried out his promise to lie in front of one....or find one of the many available ditches in the UK come to that.
 

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Maybe there needs to be a follow-up announcement after each pronouncement by LT, to clarify what she actually meant...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I think it is the media who are responsible for spreading the false impression that an "energy price cap" of £2,500 meant that this is the maximum any household would have to pay.
 
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