Liz Truss and the Conservative Party.

[bspahh]

Look these interviews out. The PM got an absolute shoeing. Car crash. Silence at times in which you can hear the very small cogs in the brain of Truss desperately grinding.

The BBC Newscast has collated them into this programme:

Newscast - The Liz Truss BBC Local Radio Interviews - BBC Sounds

The full set of interviews with the Prime Minister on BBC Local Radio

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[DarloRich]

The BBC Newscast has collated them into this programme:

public service broadcasting at it's finest! It aint like the olden days where you could drop a rollock on, say, Radio Tees and no one would ever know!

 

[43096]

As would that other non-avian American Donald. It's that bad!

The two are actually a flip of each other…

 

[BrianW]

They have no "access" to protect so have nothing to lose by going in hard. The PM wont be back on Radio Leeds or Tees or Stoke anytime soon.

Look these interviews out. The PM got an absolute shoeing. Car crash. Silence at times in which you can hear the very small cogs in the brain of Truss desperately grinding.


Correct.

Regional journalism praised after Liz Truss BBC local radio round - Journalism News from HoldtheFrontPage

Regional journalists win widespread praise as PM breaks silence

www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk

Links to a number of 'performances'.

She will now sack her Director of Communications

It was a spectacularly bad idea to put her in front of a bunch of journalists who aren’t beholden to the government for ongoing access to ministers and who are probably a lot closer to “normal people” than the likes of Nick Robinson or Robert Peston

What they thought would be an easy ride turned out to be anything but

Putin to blame; Bank of England to blame; Great British people to blame ...

At least she has (had?) the support of 113 MPs that voted for her in the 'leadership' followership ballot.

Is Dominic Cummings (Lord Barnard Castle?) available to 'help'?

 

[najaB]

It was a spectacularly bad idea to put her in front of a bunch of journalists who aren’t beholden to the government for ongoing access to ministers and who are probably a lot closer to “normal people” than the likes of Nick Robinson or Robert Peston

On the contrary, I think it was an amazing thing to do. The sooner people figure out just how incompetent she is, the sooner that there will be calls for her to go.

Oh, wait, you meant it was a bad idea for her.

 

[Busaholic]

We should have a referendum to leave the IMF, who on earth do these unelected bureaucrats think they are!!

Yes, that'd do it! Bit like putting the country up for sale at the pawnbroker and then going and burning the shop down.

 

[brad465]

George Monbiot did an opinion piece last week suggesting Truss is now controlled by neoliberal think tanks. He just discovered today that Matthew Lesh, who is head of policy at the Institute of Economic Affairs, simply said "Yes" to Monbiot's question:

https://twitter.com/matthewlesh/status/1573219352622637056

Yes.


Image: Title says "Has Liz Truss handed power over to the extreme neoloberal thinktanks?

The IEA is a "think tank" that is not transparent with its funding sources and was one of the very few public backers of the fiscal event last week that has caused mayhem since. The fact that one of them has admitted to controlling the Prime Minister shows the lack of accountability there is in politics right now.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Monbiot is usually one of those woolly conspiracy theorists, but in this case...

 

[duncanp]

Interesting to see how the Daily ExDepress had a headline today "..Pound plunges after Bank of England intervention..".

But looking at the latest exchange rates the pound has, er, risen by over 2.5% against the dollar, and has risen above £1 = $1.10.

Just as with COVID, the papers love to present doom and gloom rather than facts.

 

[DarloRich]

Interesting to see how the Daily ExDepress had a headline today "..Pound plunges after Bank of England intervention..".

But looking at the latest exchange rates the pound has, er, risen by over 2.5% against the dollar, and has risen above £1 = $1.10.

Just as with COVID, the papers love to present doom and gloom rather than facts.

Are the Daily Express now part of the remainer blob to blame for all ills in society?

 

[WizCastro197]

Interesting to see how the Daily ExDepress had a headline today "..Pound plunges after Bank of England intervention..".

But looking at the latest exchange rates the pound has, er, risen by over 2.5% against the dollar, and has risen above £1 = $1.10.

Just as with COVID, the papers love to present doom and gloom rather than facts.

So what?
Are you trying to deny how bad it actually is?
I understand you are a Conservative voter as you’ve mentioned but you can criticise your own party you know that?

 

[duncanp]

So what?
Are you trying to deny how bad it actually is?
I understand you are a Conservative voter as you’ve mentioned but you can criticise your own party you know that?

I don't deny that the government has messed up on this occasion, and could have done things differently.

I was simply commenting on the fact that the Daily Express headline said that the pound had "plunged" after the Bank of England intervention, whereas in fact it has risen by over 2.5% against the dollar after the Bank of England intervention.

 

[brad465]

In this FT article, there was a brilliant footnote:

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on.ft.com

* The largest package of unfunded tax-cuts in fifty years that blow up the UK’s fiscal rules, at a time when the Bank of England was already hiking rates to cool inflation and the current account deficit threatens to reach 300 year highs, plus the sacking of the top Treasury civil servant, rejection of OBR oversight, and threatening noises about Bank independence OR, it’s all those woke gilt and forex traders throwing a leftie strop.

 

[GS250]

It's absolutely shocking how the UK has ended up with such a poor PM. Put forms of politics aside, who the hell is there out there who actually resembles a PM? As much as I disagree with her authoritarian tendancies, Sturgeon isn't too bad a leader. Angela Raynor maybe?

Truss is actually making those Tory wets, Major and Cameron look like pillars of sanity and authority.

I'll happily admit I've generally held my nose and voted Tory....but this current lot are simply appalling. No chance of getting my vote. Boris and his original front bench were a league apart from the current awfulness. Even Dominic Raab would be a better frontperson than Truss.

The current state of affairs can only lend credibility to the conspiracy brigade....

 

[brad465]

OMG:

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1575522731101245440

Westminster voting intention: LAB: 54% (+9) CON: 21% (-7) LDEM: 7% (-2) GRN: 6% (-1) via
@YouGov
, 28 - 29 Sep Chgs. w/ 25 Sep
https://t.co/QFziTkP77K

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Yes, that is a 33% poll lead for Labour.

 

[birchesgreen]

Blimey don't get poll leads as big as that usually.

 

[brad465]

Blimey don't get poll leads as big as that usually.

Yes even the Tories' 26 point poll lead peak during the height of covid's "rally round the leader effect" has been eclipsed.

 

[Lost property]

Various MSM now reporting the pensions triple lock may not be now guaranteed along with other benefit rises....now who would have seen that coming after the "fiscal event " wrecked the economy !..but hey, all those elderly / poor / impaired voters don't contribute to society, so society is obviously better off without them when they pass away prematurely !....not like those fantastic 1% wealth creators who do so much to ensure the UK is a damned good and jolly fine place to live !

What did Angela Rayner call the Tory party again ?

 

[philosopher]

OMG:

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1575522731101245440

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Yes, that is a 33% poll lead for Labour.

If there are any more opinion polls like that then surely Liz will be forced out as PM, pretty much all Tory MP’s would be out of a job if that was actually repeated in a general election.

 

[brad465]

If there are any more opinion polls like that then surely Liz will be forced out as PM, pretty much all Tory MP’s would be out of a job if that was actually repeated in a general election.

I've seen estimates of the Tories being reduced to 61 MPs, so low that would threaten the possibility of them even being large enough to be the official opposition.

 

[Noddy]

OMG:

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1575522731101245440

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Yes, that is a 33% poll lead for Labour.

According to Electoral Calculus via The Independent on uniform swing (which never happens) the SNP will be the official opposition with the Tories on 3 (YES 3!) seats!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...olls-budget-labour-keir-starmer-b2178681.html (paywall)

https://apple.news/AOa8EpV9dQuKrXFP53UIAYw (if you have Apple News)

 

[Class 317]

Based on the chat in my office with voters who voted Tory last time very few are planning to next time.

 

[duncanp]

Sir John Curtice in The Telegraph says that talk of landslides is premature.

But for the first time, it is not unreasonable to talk in terms of a majority Labour government with Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister.

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We might be heading for a majority Labour government​

Talk of landslides remains premature - and if Liz Truss's tax cuts generate economic growth, the Tories could still win the next election

It is little wonder that many Conservative MPs are reported to be nervous about their political futures in the wake of last Friday’s mini-Budget. Initial polling conducted since the Chancellor sat down suggests his statement has gone down badly with voters. And now, for the first time in this parliament, Labour enjoys a poll lead of the kind that could deliver Sir Keir Starmer an overall Commons majority.

Three polls conducted wholly or mostly since Friday have all detected a swing from the Conservatives to Labour, albeit of different sizes. On average they put Labour on 44%, the Conservatives on 30% - a 14 point lead that exceeds the 12 point margin that conventional calculations suggest Labour might need to win an overall majority.

Those calculations suggest Labour might win 329 seats, three above the minimum needed for an overall majority, though that tally might be rather higher if, as some polling suggests, the party secures an above average swing in the Red Wall seats it lost in 2019. Just 224 Tory MPs might survive the cull, 141 down on the party’s score at the last election.

This represents Labour’s strongest position yet in this parliament. It briefly enjoyed an eleven point lead at the height of the partygate scandal in mid-January and, again, in the immediate wake of the mass resignations from Boris Jonson’s government in mid-July. But it has not hitherto been 14 points ahead or as far north of 40% as it is now.

In truth, such a lead is no more than would be expected of an opposition in mid-term when the government is in trouble. Moreover, Sir Keir’s personal ratings remain modest. But at least the party now seems able to profit from the Government’s woes, a key requirement for any party that is a serious contender for power.

Elements of Friday’s mini-Budget were popular with voters, most notably the reversal of the increase in national insurance and the cut in the basic rate of income tax. But other parts, including scrapping the 45p income tax rate and the elimination of the cap on bankers’ bonuses were not. They exposed the Government to a charge of unfairness at a time when, as British Social Attitudes suggested last week, voters have become more concerned about inequality.

Indeed, according to YouGov, only 19% felt that the overall package was ‘fair’, while 57% regarded it as ‘unfair’ – the most negative judgement any recent financial statement has received on that criterion. Meanwhile, only 9% felt that either they or the country as a whole would be better off, while as many as 60% felt the tax cuts were unaffordable. These judgements are shared by many 2019 Conservative voters.

This adverse judgement came after Liz Truss’s entry into 10 Downing St failed to produce much of a poll bounce for the Conservatives – an average increase of just one point. Doubtless she has not been helped by the fact that within 48 hours politics was suspended following the death of Queen Elizabeth II. But it meant that her Government needed Friday’s statement to be a success rather than the self-inflicted wound it has so far seemed.

Moreover, with many voters still to form a view about Ms Truss’s capabilities, last Friday’s statement has done nothing to persuade voters that she is the right person for the job. According to Redfield & Wilton, the proportion disapproving of her performance has risen by eight points, and they now outnumber by six points those who approve of the new incumbent.

There is, of course, no guarantee that voters’ immediate reaction to Friday’s statement will prevail in the longer term. Many of those who have fallen out of love with the Conservatives are saying they do not know how they will vote next time and not saying they would back Labour. They might be won over if economic growth is eventually delivered.

But, equally, most of the polling to date has been conducted before the adverse market reaction – and the threat posed to interest rates - became clear. This may have reinforced voters’ initial doubts. And governments that preside over a financial crisis rarely survive at the ballot box – just ask John Major.

 

[nw1]

Yes even the Tories' 26 point poll lead peak during the height of covid's "rally round the leader effect" has been eclipsed.

The Tories had a 26 point poll lead during 2020? Even after Cummings and Barnard Castle?

(I'm not questioning the fact, just really quite surprised).

 

[DC1989]

Various MSM now reporting the pensions triple lock may not be now guaranteed along with other benefit rises....

Now now, a certain amount of pensioners (especially the daily mail reading ones) take severe umbrage when they are reminded that pensions are a benefit

 

[brad465]

The Tories had a 26 point poll lead during 2020? Even after Cummings and Barnard Castle?

(I'm not questioning the fact, just really quite surprised).

They did a few times during the first lockdown in April. However it declined to the teens by May, and then low single digits when Cummings and Barnard Castle broke.

 

[Howardh]

Paul Sculley (no, me neither) has to face the public on Question Time tonight. He must be on one heck of a promise to take the flak tonight, anthough Fiona Bruce won't be as hard hitting as that Yorkshire Radio Leeds lass.

"Where've yer bin???" That should be the three-word slogan at the Tory conference!

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Sir John Curtice in The Telegraph says that talk of landslides is premature.

But for the first time, it is not unreasonable to talk in terms of a majority Labour government with Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister.

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That would be my sense. Realistically, mid-term polls do produce much higher fluctuations than you see in general elections, and there's no way Labour are going to be 33% ahead at the next election. But I think we have reached the point where the next election is now Labour's to lose.

 

[nw1]

Local radio station playing 1992 on its Golden Hour currently. Fitting, I think.

 

[johncrossley]

"The Remainer City"? London, in other words?

In this context, "City" usually means the UK's financial services sector.