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Terms that you don't hear young people use these days

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Cloud Strife

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My (primary school age) daughter uses "shall I" regularly when forming questions. I'm not sure where she picked it up from, but probably my wife's side of the family (as I'm concentrating on speaking Welsh with her).

A bit of a random question, but:

How do kids learn English if they live in a Welsh-speaking home and attend a Welsh-medium primary school in Wales? I'm thinking about the situation in Anglesey or Gwynedd in particular. Do they have a lot of hours of English in school, or is it just something that they pick up from TV?

I have a friend who answered the question with "dunno, just did", so she's not much help!
 
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Whenever we come back from an overseas holiday I say "Back to Blightly" although my wife rolls her eyes lol!
 

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A bit of a random question, but:

How do kids learn English if they live in a Welsh-speaking home and attend a Welsh-medium primary school in Wales? I'm thinking about the situation in Anglesey or Gwynedd in particular. Do they have a lot of hours of English in school, or is it just something that they pick up from TV?

I have a friend who answered the question with "dunno, just did", so she's not much help!
TV, films (very few are dubbed into Welsh), parents speaking with non-Welsh speakers out and about. It's a lot easier to pick up a dominant language by incidental exposure than a minority one. Some school friends of mine are raising such families, and their kids are managing just fine (though with a significant local accent on their English).

Welsh-medium primary schools in my county start some English lessons from year 3 onward, to cover reading and writing skills. English phonetics are probably a major aspect of this, as they're completely different to Welsh phonemes.

All secondary schools offer language classes in English and Welsh*, so you'll study (e.g) both Shakespeare and Dafydd ap Gwilym. It's the language of instruction in other lessons that's the main difference between schools.

*Some may study a 'second language' course instead, which is the same sort of course as studying French or German at school.
 

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The construction "I wish [to]" or "Do you wish [to]" seems to have been all but replaced in common speech (especially that of young people) by "I want [to]" or "Do you want [to]". The use of "wish" in that context sounds so much more elegant and refined - though, to my great shame, it hasn't stopped me swapping in the word "want" instead.
 

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I'm only 40 so I'm not "old" as such, but I do find myself becoming increasingly out of touch with those in their 20s. I went into a local cafe yesterday for a cuppa. It was quite busy and when I got to the counter I said to the young girl there "You're well patronised today". She gave me a funny look and said "If I am, no one has said so to my face".

Thinking about it, I can't actually remember ever hearing anyone of that generation using the word "patronised" in that sense. I pronounce it differently depending on the context - PATronise or PATEronise - but I guess that went over her head.
 

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Thinking about it, I can't actually remember ever hearing anyone of that generation using the word "patronised" in that sense.
To be fair, it's not really a common usage in older people either - most people would say "It's quite busy today".
 

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I'm only 40 so I'm not "old" as such, but I do find myself becoming increasingly out of touch with those in their 20s. I went into a local cafe yesterday for a cuppa. It was quite busy and when I got to the counter I said to the young girl there "You're well patronised today". She gave me a funny look and said "If I am, no one has said so to my face".

Thinking about it, I can't actually remember ever hearing anyone of that generation using the word "patronised" in that sense. I pronounce it differently depending on the context - PATronise or PATEronise - but I guess that went over her head.

That’s quite an amusing response actually, although I strongly suspect it wasn’t intended as such!
 

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Gordon Bennett! I couldn't think of one... oh wait.

Actually that crossed my mind about ten years ago watching TV with a friend when we were still young. I suspect it's use has become even less common, she found it hilarious and commented she hadn't heard that phrase in ages.

"Gordon Bennett! Yes, Chen. Everyone. Everybody's dead, Dave!"
 

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Gordon Bennett! I couldn't think of one... oh wait.

Actually that crossed my mind about ten years ago watching TV with a friend when we were still young. I suspect it's use has become even less common, she found it hilarious and commented she hadn't heard that phrase in ages.

"Gordon Bennett! Yes, Chen. Everyone. Everybody's dead, Dave!"
If Graeme Garden ever appears again on the I'm Sorry I haven't A clue radio show and a particular game is played, then Gordon Bennett's name may be taken in vain again. Too complicated to explain further!
 

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We do have one in the local town, which still has most of its floor space taken up by traditional newsagent fare: newspapers and magazines, and confectionery, with cigarettes, etc. behind the counter. However, although I have seen youngsters in there, they are always buying snacks, sandwiches and coffee.
 

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Still one near me. Combined with the post office, but always has been.
I mean just news agents, not a convenience store, kitchen sink plus magazines (aka WH Smiths) and a combined post office et cetera. We used to have a few in the local high street back in the 80s.
 

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A wonderfully offensive and completely needless attack on the attitude of young people today.

Many young people are very polite and will regularly use every one of these terms. I don’t deny that there is a subsection of youths who are like this and will simply use (insert choice of swear word) in place of any of these, but I certainly won’t stand for someone faulting the entire generation - of whom a small minority ruin the reputation (we hate it as much as you do trust me!)
Agreed 100% @Huntergreed


“Leave it out!” isn’t very commonly heard among London anymore. People these days would just tell you to F* off instead :lol:
 

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I don't hear "the newsagent's" mentioned much nowadays.

I was thinking about this a while ago. I used to be on very good terms with the local newsagent, who used to relish in the stereotype of being a Pakistani newsagent. He would put on a ridiculous accent for elderly customers who expected him to speak that way (in reality, he had a broad Warrington accent because he was born there and was as English as they came), he would pretend to be interested in cricket for the old blokes (in reality, he knew just enough to hold a conversation), and he knew exactly what each customer wanted.

He was a good bloke, because when I was buying some magazine, we got chatting about video games, and I told him that it was a huge pity that I couldn't afford to buy all the magazines that I wanted to read. He grinned, then let me into a secret: he didn't return the magazines, all he did was cut off the front page header to be returned to the distributor, who would then refund him for the unsold copies. So, once a week, he told me to come round and give him a hand by removing the old titles from the shelves/putting the new ones up, and in return, I could keep whatever magazines I wanted. He only asked that I kept buying a magazine a week as I was already doing, so it was fair enough.

Utterly great bloke, and he said I was doing him a favour because he had to pay for rubbish collection anyway. It got to the point where I'd be coming home with stacks of magazines every week! Always wondered what happened to him, though with his work ethic, I dare say he's a millionaire somewhere.

But yes, I noticed last time when I was in the UK that the newsagent has become very much a dying breed.
 

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Often replaced by “the corner shop” or “the off-licence” in my experience. I myself tend to use the former, although our local “corner shop” isn’t on a corner!
The “off-license”. My grandparents always called it the “beer-off”. That’s something that I don’t think you hear many people say these days.
 

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I was thinking about this a while ago. I used to be on very good terms with the local newsagent, who used to relish in the stereotype of being a Pakistani newsagent. He would put on a ridiculous accent for elderly customers who expected him to speak that way (in reality, he had a broad Warrington accent because he was born there and was as English as they came), he would pretend to be interested in cricket for the old blokes (in reality, he knew just enough to hold a conversation), and he knew exactly what each customer wanted.

He was a good bloke, because when I was buying some magazine, we got chatting about video games, and I told him that it was a huge pity that I couldn't afford to buy all the magazines that I wanted to read. He grinned, then let me into a secret: he didn't return the magazines, all he did was cut off the front page header to be returned to the distributor, who would then refund him for the unsold copies. So, once a week, he told me to come round and give him a hand by removing the old titles from the shelves/putting the new ones up, and in return, I could keep whatever magazines I wanted. He only asked that I kept buying a magazine a week as I was already doing, so it was fair enough.

Utterly great bloke, and he said I was doing him a favour because he had to pay for rubbish collection anyway. It got to the point where I'd be coming home with stacks of magazines every week! Always wondered what happened to him, though with his work ethic, I dare say he's a millionaire somewhere.

But yes, I noticed last time when I was in the UK that the newsagent has become very much a dying breed.
I used to return covers torn from paperback books, also title pages in the case of the cheaper hardback books, for credit when I was a bookseller, but the practice stopped because unscrupulous members of my trade were selling the hardbacks with a small reduction in price. I'd imagine the paperbacks presented more of a problem to dispose of!
 

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I used to return covers torn from paperback books, also title pages in the case of the cheaper hardback books, for credit when I was a bookseller, but the practice stopped because unscrupulous members of my trade were selling the hardbacks with a small reduction in price. I'd imagine the paperbacks presented more of a problem to dispose of!
Ah, that reminds me of those "if you bought this book without a cover..." notes you used to see.
 

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None of that header / barcode only stuff any more, and hasn’t been for a while. Big money in recycling for those pesky publishers and wholesalers who want the full product back.
 

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One that has certainly gone, and was on the way out anyway in the 1980s was the use by children of ‘thou’, ‘thee’ and ‘thy’, or in Yorkshire ‘tha‘, ‘thi‘ and ‘thi’. This was in Doncaster. If it’s held out anywhere it will be Barnsley, so I’ll keep my ears open next time I go.

Similarly, I don’t hear children say ‘You what?’ when they didn’t hear or understand something. (My grandma’s reply was invariably ‘Yes I’m hot, are you? ‘ because she considered it impolite). Now it’s more likely to be just ‘Eh?’ or ’Pardon?’
 
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