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Death of Queen Elizabeth II - How will everyday life and scheduled events be affected within the foreseeable future?
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I understood it was supposed to be D+10 except where that day would be a Sunday, in which case it became D+11. Or has that now been changed?
And at the same time pay off the guest musicians whose services won’t be needed. Last night’s concert and tonight were meant to be given by the Philadelphia Orchestra.
Government guidance reported by The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-mourning-coronation-latest-news-live-updates) appears to bring some much needed sanity:
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As huge a global event that this is, I don't think there's any appetite for any kind of shutdown, partial or not. People can ill afford to lose yet more money (cancelled travel plans etc) at time when disposable income is already at a minimum. Let people and businesses mourn in their own way than deciding on their behalf. Minutes silence, black armbands etc are a far more fitting way to recognise her service IMO.
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From the Royal website...
On presentation to The Queen, the correct formal address is 'Your Majesty' and subsequently 'Ma'am,' pronounced with a short 'a,' as in 'jam'.
For male members of the Royal Family the same rules apply, with the title used in the first instance being 'Your Royal Highness' and subsequently 'Sir'.
For other female members of the Royal Family the first address is conventionally 'Your Royal Highness' and subsequently 'Ma'am'.
Gloster
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The BBC, in particular, has the problem that certain newspapers (not mentioning the Mail) are always looking for opportunities to fill their pages with stories of appalling disrespect by the hate-filled lefties in the corporation. This will be jumped on by a number of MPs and cabinet ministers as a chance to muzzle any form of criticism by the BBC. There is also now the feeling of many at the production and editorial level that the political appointees who have been moved into the very top level by recent governments are likely to unquestionably toe the government line to a greater extent than in the past.
From what I can see, BBC2 is a mix of BBC1 and BBC2 programming, including last night's edition of EastEnders.
BBC4 appears to be remaining off the air today - given their only new programme of the evening (BBC Proms) has been cancelled, perhaps understandable.
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I think the reaction to the death and funeral needs to be tempered with some common sense, yes show respect, a minutes silence at the start, black armbands etc at events, but is a blanket cancellation of everything for 10 days in everyones best interest, undoubtably not. As an example in our local town a soapbox derby was planned for Sunday. It will not be the day of the funeral, because I understand the funeral by tradition is not held on a Sunday, a lot of people will have put work in organising it. It is now cancelled.
As for wall to wall coverage on TV, yes I understand that is appropriate immediately after the death, and for the day of the funeral, but between times things should return to near normal. I also find some the coverage mawkish and undignified, yesterday afternoon before the death was announced but after the statement regarding 'medical supervision' when it was obvious from the actions of other royals that things were serious one of the major news channel immediately has 'talking heads' guessing and dissecting every move. I noted the same thing at the events surrounding the death of Archie Battersbee.
The other outcome is that an overreaction gives ammunition to those opposed to the Monarchy.
As for wall to wall coverage on TV, yes I understand that is appropriate immediately after the death, and for the day of the funeral, but between times things should return to near normal. I also find some the coverage mawkish and undignified, yesterday afternoon before the death was announced but after the statement regarding 'medical supervision' when it was obvious from the actions of other royals that things were serious one of the major news channel immediately has 'talking heads' guessing and dissecting every move. I noted the same thing at the events surrounding the death of Archie Battersbee.
The other outcome is that an overreaction gives ammunition to those opposed to the Monarchy.
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Jersey Pride this weekend..they've cancelled the noisy parade but the party in the park goes on with early speeches from local dignitaries. Suppose the former is public and inappropriate but the party set aside.
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Hopefully they will offer a refund to those who have made travel arrangements......
Precisely.
BBC 2 appears to be showing much of the BBC 1 day time schedule with alternatives when the new should kick in. For those who want an alternative there is also catch-up TV (which I have availed myself of when I wanted something a bit more uplifting), as well as a host of other channels.
There will be those who will take the passing of Elizabeth II badly, she may have been the one constant in their lives, not just as their Monarch but they will remember her war service, and romance with Philip Mountbatten during and post-war, at a time when the country needed all the good cheer it can get. I see no reason why they can't be allowed to reminisce. I don't know which programmes were not on, but there is nothing in soaps, reality tv and entertainment programmes that means the content is diminished a couple of days later.
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Just because we can dissent, does not detract from the idea that 10 days of national mourning seems like something from a dictatorial than an modern democracy.
I don't think there is any need to change TV and radio programming (beyond the initial 24 hours, certainly) and absolutely no need cancel private events for 7-10 days unless the organisers personally want to.
Did we react this way to 9/11? (There were more news bulletins of course, but there was certainly no shutdown of normal programmes for 7-10 days and events still occurred much as normal). Or, more recently and more potently, Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Both these were considerably more serious events.
I certainly dislike the notion of "national mourning", it seems like enforced miserablism to me. There are enough other problems in the world at the moment, some of us might want to live a normal life and keep in a good mood to keep our minds off them!
Did we react this way to 9/11? (There were more news bulletins of course, but there was certainly no shutdown of normal programmes for 7-10 days and events still occurred much as normal). Or, more recently and more potently, Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Both these were considerably more serious events.
I certainly dislike the notion of "national mourning", it seems like enforced miserablism to me. There are enough other problems in the world at the moment, some of us might want to live a normal life and keep in a good mood to keep our minds off them!
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Including on Monday night also.
My expectation is that this will provoke the ECB to cancel the Oval Test match, having originally been minded to restart the game tomorrow.
Not sure about a dictatorship, but it does seem several decades out of date to me.
If people want to mourn personally, that's fine. But it should be a private thing; being told by the state that you have to be miserable is not.
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The state is actively advising people not to be miserable (well, more accurately it isn't telling them to be miserable!) - I would guess at it being overreactions by governing bodies to 'outmourn' others. For sports, they specifically advise "maybe postpone on the day of the funeral, or at least move kickoff so it doesn't clash" but that's about it.
There may be something in William being the patron of the FA, but I would think that unlikely
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Which is going to cause problems rescheduling, thanks partly of course due to the nonsense of a winter World Cup in Qatar.
But the point was a more suitable anthem for the England football team!
Much as I held the Queen in high regard and mourn her passing, I agree that there should not be a national shutdown, or wholesale scrapping of TV schedules. The only time for that should be the day of the funeral, which is what will surely happen.
The Bank of England has delayed, by one week, its meeting and announcement on interest rates, which is believed likely to increase base rates by 0.5% or 0.75%. The decision will now be announced on September 22 following the delayed meeting.
Personally, I feel that taking important action to tackle inflation isn't something that should be postponed because of the Queen's death, but obviously many people think it should be.
Personally, I feel that taking important action to tackle inflation isn't something that should be postponed because of the Queen's death, but obviously many people think it should be.
I’m sure that these footballers with their super inflated salaries will cope with an additional game thrown in somewhere during the next 9 months.
It’s already been changed and changed immediately upon the Queen’s death. Do keep up!
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It's absolutely nauseating that you can't watch any TV or listen to any radio without being completely bombarded by constant coverage on it. It's ONE event for goodness sake, it's quite tone deaf IMO to only focus on one person's death when we're in a cost of living crisis.
And we're expected to do it for how long? 10 days? Maybe even 17 based on what Charles is saying.
And we're expected to do it for how long? 10 days? Maybe even 17 based on what Charles is saying.
Considering raising interest rates isn't going to do anything to alleviate the current bout of inflation anyway, they may as well postpone it indefinitely as far as I'm concerned.
Thats why Youtube and streaming services exist - I missed the news last night as i was watching Beard Meets Food and will not be watching main stream media until after the Funeral.
DarloRich
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It has already happened. Also, this isn't the first time a monarch has died requiring a wording change. Happened with the last one too.........
No one is forcing you to "mourn". The 10 day period is the "official" mourning period for government business and royal duties. The Government are encouraging people to act as they wish while being sympathetic to the national mood/events.
I didn't realise that I Player had been taken off the web or Amazon or Netflix or Paramount or Disney or Britbox or any other streaming service.
What you mean is I want complain that BBC isn't showing programmes i don't watch. Personally, I think we can manage without Bargin Hunt or Homes under the Hammer every DAY but each to their own
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I will watch the full state funeral and subsequent coronation ( if they give us a day off). Why? Because I havent seen one before and I might not see one again. i might even go and observe the lying in state. Why? Same reason.
These are events that happen once in a lifetime and are worth observing if only to say you did observe them!
Not sure what channels you're trying to watch - but the only non News channels I can find showing constant coverage are BBC1, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky Showcase. All other channels appear to be showing normal schedules.
There's an argument to say that the BBC could just stick to the BBC News channel, but neither ITV or Channel 4 have their own rolling news channels.
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