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Hi,

I want to use a TFW Rover to try and knock down as much track in Wales as possible.

Must dos, are the far West lines (Milford Haven, Fish Guard, and Pembroke Docks).

Also want to get the line from Llanelli to Shrewsbury out of the way, and the lines west out of Shrewsbury to Aberystwyth / Pwllheli.

I would be interested in getting the valley lines out of Cardiff done too (but I realise there is only so much that can be done in 4 days).

Any help in planning?? I would get a single in and out of the Rover area and could night stop the night before / after the 4 days.

Ive done the North Wales line to Holyhead, and Shrewsbury to Chester.

Not interested in narrow gauge or preserved track.

Cheers
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A few tips if you don't mind using other forms if transport.

The T1 TrawsCymru bus between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth and Ffestiniog Railway between Porthmadog and Blaenau Ffestiniog might be useful, saving you retracing your steps to Shrewsbury.

I understand the Cardiff Valley Lines (including Maesteg and Ebbw Vale) are doable in a day with careful planning and no disruption. A new bit of track has been available since last December; Pye Corner to Newport.

Buses are useful between the Valleys termini to save returning to Abercyon, Pontypridd or Cardiff. The 172 Bridgend-Aberdare is very scenic.
 

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Depending on where you're travelling from, it is probably a better idea to do the Cardiff Valleys on a separate adventure. It is doable in one day, pretty much, but that's not going to be all that much fun. Certainly so if you cram in all the other bits in Wales into a 4 day adventure, you'll be in for some long days without much rest or time for enjoying some of the places you'll go to.

There's not much to see apart from the ferry terminal really in Fishguard, from the station at Goodwick there are probably decent bus connections to other parts of Wales like Cardigan and St David's, but it doesn't sound like you're overly interested in the non-train parts of Wales. Which is fair game, I was like that for many years! So it's definitely easy to just pop up the line and back.

The Pembroke Dock line is nice, and I'd look at bus links from Pembroke to Milford Haven/Haverfordwest to cut out a lot of hanging around with doubling back to Whitland first. I can't remember what the buses are like in that area, it's been too many years since I did buses around there, but it's a beautiful part of the world and worth exploring fully.

The Cambrian, another rather nice line and I think if you get good weather you'll be in for really beautiful views along the coast. I haven't been fully up the Pwllheli line in many, many years (I'm told I did the whole line when I was a small child, I have no memory of it of course) but the bit I did do was incredibly nice. It's on my list for a full-on explore some time, preferably before the 158s are replaced (so I have a couple of years yet)!

Speaking of the Cambrian, I don't rate Borth much at all so I'd not be rushing to go for a walk on the beach. Aberystwyth is much better for that. There are useful bus links both northwards to places like Barmouth but more useful would be the bus from Newtown to Llandrindod Wells. Said bus also goes to Brecon (I am basing this off approximate memory, and this was all pre-Covid, so it would need checking), and from there you can head to either Cardiff or Hereford, there may also be links to Llandovery and Abergavenny still. I don't know if they're still accepting it for sure, but Sargeants certainly used to accept the passes on their Hereford-Kington-Llandrindod Wells routes. Other bus routes of potential use will be the X13 from Llandeilo to Swansea and the X4 from Abergavenny to Cardiff via Ebbw Vale (drops off near Town station), Merthyr Tydfil and Pontypridd.

All these buses have the potential to save you a lot of time doubling back, but it obviously depends how you want to do the lines. They may not be terribly useful, but it's worth bearing them in mind. They'll also get you some more of the Welsh scenery you won't get from the train too.

The Heart of Wales line is nice and scenic in plenty of places, and is home to some slightly unusual/interesting bits. Such as Llanwrtyd Wells, the smallest town in Wales, the triangular station at Pantyfynnon (only the Heart of Wales line is in regular use these days), semaphore signalling and Cynghordy with its viaduct. It also has Sugar Loaf, one of the most remote stations in the country and Sugar Loaf itself is one of those places worth visiting on a walking holiday. The line used to be relatively local to me, not so these days though. It's firmly on my list to go back to one day, and indeed talking of it there's also Sugar Loaf Tunnel which is of a significant length.

If you decide to change trains in Whitland, there's not a whole lot to do there, but there is vastly more there than at Clarbeston Road! Llanelli isn't the most exciting place either, I haven't been through there in years but it wasn't the most interesting station or town back then, and I doubt it's got much/any better! Do keep an eye out for Loughor Viaduct between Llanelli and Gowerton, depending on the weather there can be some decent views from it if I remember correctly.

In terms of pure planning of the journeys you'll need to make, I'm not really the most helpful there but there is plenty to see and do in Wales. If you get the chance, it'll be worth stopping off in some places and having a look around. Even if just for an hour between trains, Ferryside particularly comes to mind here. Similar for places like Barry Island, there's plenty of railway history there but it's not a bad place to spend a bit of time enjoying a walkabout by the seaside and having a short break between trains.

Whatever you choose to do, even if it's just jumping off one train and onto another just to do as much track as possible in the 4 days, then I hope you have an amazing time. You've got plenty of options around that's for sure!
 

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If you decide to devote a day to the Valley Lines it might be better to buy a separate Explore Cardiff and Valleys ticket at £13.50 (£8.90 with railcard). It's also valid on Stagecoach buses in the area.

The X4 bus has been replaced between Abergavenny and Merthyr Tydfil by the 78, which then goes on to, and terminates at, Pontypridd via the old road rather than the fast A470 dual carriageway. Change at Merthyr for the fast X4 to Pontypridd and Cardiff or, of course, the train.
 

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Hi,

Thanks guys, some excellent feed back so far.... on this trip I think I would be flying solo and looking just to get us much line as possible marked up in my book. I know its crazy but I tend to be an in and out on the same train merchant when in that mode. I hear you loud and clear about places to see, and things to do - maybe on a second trip with family.

On the subject of the valley lines, has anybody tried getting taxis or buses between the ends of the lines (so up one, and down another?) that would save some serious time. Also hear you on the Cardiff Valley ticket rather than doing those lines on the 4 day ticket.

Not sure how early in the day I could get to Cardiff from where I am based (Surrey) so maybe an over night stop Friday night to do the lines on a Saturday might be an idea for those.

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Hi,

Thanks guys, some excellent feed back so far.... on this trip I think I would be flying solo and looking just to get us much line as possible marked up in my book. I know its crazy but I tend to be an in and out on the same train merchant when in that mode. I hear you loud and clear about places to see, and things to do - maybe on a second trip with family.

On the subject of the valley lines, has anybody tried getting taxis or buses between the ends of the lines (so up one, and down another?) that would save some serious time. Also hear you on the Cardiff Valley ticket rather than doing those lines on the 4 day ticket.

Not sure how early in the day I could get to Cardiff from where I am based (Surrey) so maybe an over night stop Friday night to do the lines on a Saturday might be an idea for those.

G
There are buses between Merthyr, Aberdare, Rhymney and Ebbw Vale (but not Treherbert) and they would save lots of doubling back.Taxis would need to be pre-booked as none of the Valleys termini have ranks. They're cheating in my book, but 'your trip, your rules' of course!

Saturday's the best day to do the Valleys as the ticket is only valid after 0930 Mon-Fri and there are fewer trains on Sundays.

Check out PSUL for rare track if that's your thing.
 

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Not sure how early in the day I could get to Cardiff from where I am based (Surrey) so maybe an over night stop Friday night to do the lines on a Saturday might be an idea for those.
There are some night coaches from London Victoria to Swansea leaving around midnight and arriving around 5am if you are after an early start, although the tiring nature of this sort of travel means you may fall asleep during the day.
 

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There are buses between Merthyr, Aberdare, Rhymney and Ebbw Vale (but not Treherbert) and they would save lots of doubling back.Taxis would need to be pre-booked as none of the Valleys termini have ranks. They're cheating in my book, but 'your trip, your rules' of course!

Saturday's the best day to do the Valleys as the ticket is only valid after 0930 Mon-Fri and there are fewer trains on Sundays.

Check out PSUL for rare track if that's your thing.
Hi

Taxis deff not cheating in my book… it’s just a question of getting line done

Buses better though.. (cheaper)
 
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Depending on where you're travelling from, it is probably a better idea to do the Cardiff Valleys on a separate adventure. It is doable in one day, pretty much, but that's not going to be all that much fun. Certainly so if you cram in all the other bits in Wales into a 4 day adventure, you'll be in for some long days without much rest or time for enjoying some of the places you'll go to.

There's not much to see apart from the ferry terminal really in Fishguard, from the station at Goodwick there are probably decent bus connections to other parts of Wales like Cardigan and St David's, but it doesn't sound like you're overly interested in the non-train parts of Wales. Which is fair game, I was like that for many years! So it's definitely easy to just pop up the line and back.

The Pembroke Dock line is nice, and I'd look at bus links from Pembroke to Milford Haven/Haverfordwest to cut out a lot of hanging around with doubling back to Whitland first. I can't remember what the buses are like in that area, it's been too many years since I did buses around there, but it's a beautiful part of the world and worth exploring fully.

The Cambrian, another rather nice line and I think if you get good weather you'll be in for really beautiful views along the coast. I haven't been fully up the Pwllheli line in many, many years (I'm told I did the whole line when I was a small child, I have no memory of it of course) but the bit I did do was incredibly nice. It's on my list for a full-on explore some time, preferably before the 158s are replaced (so I have a couple of years yet)!

Speaking of the Cambrian, I don't rate Borth much at all so I'd not be rushing to go for a walk on the beach. Aberystwyth is much better for that. There are useful bus links both northwards to places like Barmouth but more useful would be the bus from Newtown to Llandrindod Wells. Said bus also goes to Brecon (I am basing this off approximate memory, and this was all pre-Covid, so it would need checking), and from there you can head to either Cardiff or Hereford, there may also be links to Llandovery and Abergavenny still. I don't know if they're still accepting it for sure, but Sargeants certainly used to accept the passes on their Hereford-Kington-Llandrindod Wells routes. Other bus routes of potential use will be the X13 from Llandeilo to Swansea and the X4 from Abergavenny to Cardiff via Ebbw Vale (drops off near Town station), Merthyr Tydfil and Pontypridd.

All these buses have the potential to save you a lot of time doubling back, but it obviously depends how you want to do the lines. They may not be terribly useful, but it's worth bearing them in mind. They'll also get you some more of the Welsh scenery you won't get from the train too.

The Heart of Wales line is nice and scenic in plenty of places, and is home to some slightly unusual/interesting bits. Such as Llanwrtyd Wells, the smallest town in Wales, the triangular station at Pantyfynnon (only the Heart of Wales line is in regular use these days), semaphore signalling and Cynghordy with its viaduct. It also has Sugar Loaf, one of the most remote stations in the country and Sugar Loaf itself is one of those places worth visiting on a walking holiday. The line used to be relatively local to me, not so these days though. It's firmly on my list to go back to one day, and indeed talking of it there's also Sugar Loaf Tunnel which is of a significant length.

If you decide to change trains in Whitland, there's not a whole lot to do there, but there is vastly more there than at Clarbeston Road! Llanelli isn't the most exciting place either, I haven't been through there in years but it wasn't the most interesting station or town back then, and I doubt it's got much/any better! Do keep an eye out for Loughor Viaduct between Llanelli and Gowerton, depending on the weather there can be some decent views from it if I remember correctly.

In terms of pure planning of the journeys you'll need to make, I'm not really the most helpful there but there is plenty to see and do in Wales. If you get the chance, it'll be worth stopping off in some places and having a look around. Even if just for an hour between trains, Ferryside particularly comes to mind here. Similar for places like Barry Island, there's plenty of railway history there but it's not a bad place to spend a bit of time enjoying a walkabout by the seaside and having a short break between trains.

Whatever you choose to do, even if it's just jumping off one train and onto another just to do as much track as possible in the 4 days, then I hope you have an amazing time. You've got plenty of options around that's for sure!
From memory Bus Routes 350 and 351 run roughly hourly daytimes between Pembroke and Milford Haven. It evens stops outside Pembroke Dock Station
 

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Are you keeping out of North Wales, or have you the Llandudno Junction-Llandudno or Blaenau and Wrexham-Bidston (or just Neston) lines still to do?
 

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From memory Bus Routes 350 and 351 run roughly hourly daytimes between Pembroke and Milford Haven. It evens stops outside Pembroke Dock Station

Thanks! I knew there must be a bus link still, but in this day and age with everything all changed there was a doubt!

As for the OP's way of doing things, that's fair enough. I'd have done the same in years gone by, but that's been replaced by a major lot of exploring!
 

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Are you keeping out of North Wales, or have you the Llandudno Junction-Llandudno or Blaenau and Wrexham-Bidston (or just Neston) lines still to do?
Still to do,, but want to get the longer missing ones done first. Llandudno - L Junc is annoying.
 

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Still to do,, but want to get the longer missing ones done first. Llandudno - L Junc is annoying.

The bright side of that one is that it is very easy to do, even on just a day trip, and there's other things to do while up there. Great Orme and the tramway (on my list to do as well), plus of course the coast itself. Granted, to do it justice on a day trip it would have to be an early start and late finish, but potentially worth it to get the track done and have an explore too.

Quite, if fortune is with you then you can get a 67-hauled train almost all the way there from South Wales!
 

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Cardiff valley lines have large amounts of disruption and rail replacement busses due to electrification so advise checking before travel
 
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