Park Royal car accident - driver charged

[Busaholic]

I saw those flashes and thought it was a reflection of a pursuing police vehicle. There also appears to be a stationary police vehicle in the top right of frame, which I presumed was forming some kind of road block. It's interesting to hear a different point of view from the same piece of footage.

(I only have second hand info, but from what I understand, the Range Rover was involved in a robbery.)

If a police car, marked or otherwise, was chasing the Range Rover with blue lights and sirens on, then after a crash like this the police force has to submit itself to outside scrutiny and announce that fact. Admittedly, sometimes the latter gets initially 'forgotten.'

 

[Taunton]

From the railway perspective, how much damage is done? The wreckage is on the eastbound track, but with that momentum aided by the downwards plunge, did it bounce between and damage both platform edges? Was damage done to the roof of the buildings?

 

[greatkingrat]

From the railway perspective, how much damage is done? The wreckage is on the eastbound track, but with that momentum aided by the downwards plunge, did it bounce between and damage both platform edges? Was damage done to the roof of the buildings?

TfL website shows eastbound platform is closed, but trains are calling at the westbound platform.

 

[Mawkie]

If a police car, marked or otherwise, was chasing the Range Rover with blue lights and sirens on, then after a crash like this the police force has to submit itself to outside scrutiny and announce that fact. Admittedly, sometimes the latter gets initially 'forgotten.'

This was responded to up thread - it appears I have a vivid imagination.

If you mean the L shaped blue light in the top right, that appears to be some sort of light in that window - it's even visible in the daytime street view image of the hotel.

And this seems a more credible answer.

... you can see two flashes refelected on the Twin lamp standard that stands on the central reservation. That would seem to be the headlights of the car as it rolled over, possibly,

 

[AlterEgo]

This video is a CCTV image (perhaps from a Tesla) showing the speed of the Range Rover as it came off the A40. It then went through the car park, before it launched over a different parked Tesla and landed on the tracks.
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What a complete waste of space driving that car. You should get life in prison for causing an accident like that and killing someone. That’s a 40mph road. I drove down it two days ago.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Published length is 4946 mm, and the entire vehicle appears to pass the charger on the right in 2-3 frames (frames 322, 323 & 324). The frame rate is 30 fps, so if it took 0.1 second to travel its own length, that is in round numbers 50 metres/sec, or 111 mph, so a very wild guess might be that it was doing 100 mph or more as it entered the frame. If it was not travelling in a linear fashion (i.e. tumbling) then that could affect the figure, I suppose.

I've seen a number of reports online quoting that it as doing 120 mph when it left the road.

That seems to tally very well with your maths, given that it would have already been off the road and presumably lost some speed when it appeared on the video.

 

[Dave W]

The 'mess' of the vehicle is the crumple zones doing their job. Must have been tumbling for the front and rear sections to have been 'used up', but other than the roof line being bent inwards on the driver's side, the seated area seems to have performed as a survival cell (as well as could be expected).

I'm familiar with the modern car crumple zone thing but the close up images show far worse than crumple zones being effective. The entire vehicle is mangled, not unexpected if the speeds we're talking here are accurate.

And so my point stands - that anyone has survived it is a miracle.

 

[BJames]

What a complete waste of space driving that car. You should get life in prison for causing an accident like that and killing someone. That’s a 40mph road. I drove down it two days ago.

Absolutely. No excuse for driving in a manner like this.

 

[bramling]

What a complete waste of space driving that car. You should get life in prison for causing an accident like that and killing someone. That’s a 40mph road. I drove down it two days ago.

Definitely scope for a manslaughter charge I’d have thought, though knowing how road crimes are normally dealt with I won’t be holding my breath.

The speedboat killer is now in Frankland alongside the likes of Ian Huntley (which to be fair seems a little disproportionate), this guy should get similar treatment in my view.

The person charging their Tesla must have used up a number of their nine lives last night, and it was very fortunate there were no staff working on the station or the Piccadilly Line tracks at the time.

Disgraceful and shocking, there’s no other words to describe it. A serious example needs to be made of this guy to make the point loudly and clearly to others that this is utterly unacceptable.

(I should add that this does assume there was no mechanical issue with the vehicle, though unfortunately seeing how Range Rovers are driven round here I’m afraid I know where the finger of suspicion points).

 

[Falcon1200]

The BBC News website report now contains this detail, which I didn't see there yesterday:

Katee Moore, 30, lives in Baronet House, overlooking the scene and said she was woken a couple of hours before the crash by loud engine noises from a group of cars.
She said: "About 2am I was woken up by the noise of cars going on for about an hour and a half.
"There was a Range Rover parked up watching their friend in a BMW spinning around the roundabout.

 

[LOL The Irony]

"There was a Range Rover parked up watching their friend in a BMW spinning around the roundabout.

Of course a bmw was (allegedly) involved.

 

[AlterEgo]

Why is the BBC still saying the car crashed after hitting a Tesla?

The car had already left the road, was tumbling, and gone through the railings, striking a glancing blow off a Tesla minding its own business 8 feet below it in the car park there.

 

[Dave W]

Definitely scope for a manslaughter charge I’d have thought, though knowing how road crimes are normally dealt with I won’t be holding my breath.

Agree that too many utterly dangerous people in control of 2 ton plus metal missiles have been handled far too leniently in the past, but believe the rules changed at the end of June - a death by dangerous driving charge can now incur a sentence of life imprisonment (note sure how aggravating the circumstances would need to be for it)

Sentencing council guidelines: https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/causing-death-by-dangerous-driving/
[EDIT: The guidelines themselves haven't been updated to reflect the new life rules, but there is an accompanying note saying such]

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Why is the BBC still saying the car crashed after hitting a Tesla?

The car had already left the road, was tumbling, and gone through the railings, striking a glancing blow off a Tesla minding its own business 8 feet below it in the car park there.

I can think of two reasons:
(A) The BBC are particularly bad for typographical errors, and even worse at correcting them unless there's a legal implication to not doing so.
(B) The inclusion of the word "Tesla" will drive clicks, including those all-important clicks from outside the UK where ad revenue can be generated.

 

[Gloster]

I can think of two reasons:
(A) The BBC are particularly bad for typographical errors, and even worse at correcting them unless there's a legal implication to not doing so.
(B) The inclusion of the word "Tesla" will drive clicks, including those all-important clicks from outside the UK where ad revenue can be generated.

Or that after using the initial press release sent out by the police or from local sources, the item has moved down the agenda. If nobody at the scene highlights the fact that the initial information they sent out was wrong, it is quite possible that a small, non-libellous error of detail doesn’t get noticed. I am sure that those who complain about the licence fee would be up in arms of the BBC spent their money on a team who cross-checked every detail of every incoming report, tweet, phone-call, etc. for the tiniest error.

 

[rebmcr]

I'm familiar with the modern car crumple zone thing but the close up images show far worse than crumple zones being effective. The entire vehicle is mangled, not unexpected if the speeds we're talking here are accurate.

And so my point stands - that anyone has survived it is a miracle.

The passenger side seating area appears untouched. "The entire vehicle is mangled" is exactly what the outside is supposed to look like when crumple zones have worked — all that kinetic energy has to go somewhere!

 

[Killingworth]

The passenger side seating area appears untouched. "The entire vehicle is mangled" is exactly what the outside is supposed to look like when crumple zones have worked — all that kinetic energy has to go somewhere!

The fatally injured passenger in one report is said to have been thrown from the vehicle. Seatbelts?

 

[AM9]

Or that after using the initial press release sent out by the police or from local sources, the item has moved down the agenda. If nobody at the scene highlights the fact that the initial information they sent out was wrong, it is quite possible that a small, non-libellous error of detail doesn’t get noticed. I am sure that those who complain about the licence fee would be up in arms of the BBC spent their money on a team who cross-checked every detail of every incoming report, tweet, phone-call, etc. for the tiniest error.

On last night's BBC London news, there was also a comment that the car ended upside down on the tube tracks, despite showing a picture of it at the same time, - sitting there the right way up.

 

[contrex]

The fatally injured passenger in one report is said to have been thrown from the vehicle. Seatbelts?

I did see a Twitter comment that suggested the passenger was, so to speak, protruding, or partly ejected, from the car as it made its aerial journey, and that a dent made on a stationary car looked like it was made by a person. Also some early videos had something on the station platform covered by hi-vis vests and blurred/pixelated out.

 

[AlterEgo]

Apparently the driver and two passengers are expected to live. That car must have been built like a tank.

 

[rebmcr]

I did see a Twitter comment that suggested the passenger was, so to speak, protruding, or partly ejected, from the car as it made its aerial journey, and that a dent made on a stationary car looked like it was made by a person. Also some early videos had something on the station platform covered by hi-vis vests and blurred/pixelated out.

That would explain the initial reports of a female casualty believed to have been with a Tesla.

 

[swt_passenger]

Apparently the driver and two passengers are expected to live. That car must have been built like a tank.

I think that’s the first suggestion there were originally four passengers in the Range Rover?

 

[Gloster]

Is anyone examining the output of the other broadcasters to see if their output was faultless? Are the only errors they made ones that were based on information made by others and have all very publicly corrected these errors?

As far as I can see, the Range Rover was driven by a male and contained two female passengers one of whom died, having possibly been ejected from the vehicle during its flight. The other two occupants were injured, with the driver being in a critical condition. A male who was with the Tesla had non life-threatening injuries.

Even now, 36 hours later, different outlets are producing different details. For example, how old the deceased and the surviving woman were.

 

[AlterEgo]

I think that’s the first suggestion there were originally four passengers in the Range Rover?

One driver and three passengers, perhaps (?) according to this Mail report: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-captures-moment-Range-Rover-careers-A40.html

The male driver of the 4x4, which is said to have flipped over into the station before it landed on the tracks of the Piccadilly Line at Park Royal tube station, is in a critical condition, while another female passenger is being treated for non life-threatening injuries.

All three Range Rover passengers are in their 20s. The man who was in the Tesla has been hospitalised for less serious injuries.

The woman who died was 33. Is that four people in the car? Or three? It's confusing. Is a driver a passenger? Hmm!

The driver is critical, a "man who was in the Tesla" less serious, a dead woman, and another female passenger?

 

[swt_passenger]

One driver and three passengers, perhaps (?) according to this Mail report: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-captures-moment-Range-Rover-careers-A40.html

The male driver of the 4x4, which is said to have flipped over into the station before it landed on the tracks of the Piccadilly Line at Park Royal tube station, is in a critical condition, while another female passenger is being treated for non life-threatening injuries.

All three Range Rover passengers are in their 20s. The man who was in the Tesla has been hospitalised for less serious injuries.

The woman who died was 33. Is that four people in the car? Or three? It's confusing. Is a driver a passenger? Hmm!

The driver is critical, a "man who was in the Tesla" less serious, a dead woman, and another female passenger?

It’s puzzling, I expect it’ll possibly come clear much later, either at an inquest or in court.

Now edited to add that the latest BBC update 30 mins ago now includes a photo caption
“Three people were travelling in the Land Rover which ended up on the tracks”.

 

[Busaholic]

The BBC News website report now contains this detail, which I didn't see there yesterday:

Katee Moore, 30, lives in Baronet House, overlooking the scene and said she was woken a couple of hours before the crash by loud engine noises from a group of cars.
She said: "About 2am I was woken up by the noise of cars going on for about an hour and a half.
"There was a Range Rover parked up watching their friend in a BMW spinning around the roundabout.

Given the locality and huge amount of CCTV around, including all those related to the roads and the Hanger Lane gyratory in particular, and allowing for possible exaggeration of the time the 'wheelies' were taking place, what possible reason was there for police not arriving until it was all over? It wasn't even a Friday or Saturday night. A trawl of the camera record should be enough to see a few people brought in for questioning.

 

[Loppylugs]

Reports now suggest the woman who died was a 33 year old mother of a six year old child. If true, what the hell was she doing out with these people at that time in the morning? Also sounds as if the driver has had a leg amputated.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Reports now suggest the woman who died was a 33 year old mother of a six year old child. If true, what the hell was she doing out with these people at that time in the morning? Also sounds as if the driver has had a leg amputated.

Total irresponsibility from all involved and with permanent, lasting effects for them. I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

 

[bramling]

Total irresponsibility from all involved and with permanent, lasting effects for them. I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

The driver should end up in Frankland.

 

[Mawkie]

Total irresponsibility from all involved and with permanent, lasting effects for them. I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

We don't really know the circumstances of this situation yet. The Uber driver was involved, but I don't see any blame there. The passengers didn't have their foot on the accelerator pedal. We don't even know if the driver was having some kind of medical emergency.

I feel rather sorry for everyone involved, and yes, that includes the driver.