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Almost certainly, although they may not have published it formally yetThey refer to other regions priorities? Does this mean similar reports have been written for other regions?
Almost certainly, although they may not have published it formally yetThey refer to other regions priorities? Does this mean similar reports have been written for other regions?
Interesting though. Does this imply we might actually see some action here?Almost certainly, although they may not have published it formally yet
Writing a report and carrying out things it says are two very, very different things.Interesting though. Does this imply we might actually see some action here?
Worth mentioning that the Wales section of the document shows the SWML from Cardiff to Swansea, along with the VoG, the Penarth & Barry branches, and the short stub beyond Ninian Park to the NR/CVL interface...A full copy of the Wales & Western Region report which is referred to in the Modern Railways article is now attached to this post. With thanks Network Rail's FOI team for a very speedy response (request made on 6 August, response received just now!).


And even then that government within a government aka HMTreasury will say no.Writing a report and carrying out things it says are two very, very different things.
Small point of order:Not really; where desired, route boundaries have changed to suit wiring requirements.
Blackwell Loop (IIRC) used to be the Central/Western route boundary, but it was moved to Stoke Works Jn when wires came to Bromsgrove.
There's no reason why the Central/Western boundary can't move north to Aynho Jn too.
You'll note that each scheme is graphed on a 2d plot, with deployment efficiencies on one axis and decarbonisation benefits on the other.Having read the report I think it is critically flawed they seem to have given far too much weight to 'Deployment Efficiencies' in the 'Multi-criteria Assessment'.
Rolling stock lifespan has a weighting of 0.6 the highest of any of the other criteria. Therefore if a line has older stock it can outscore a line with newer stock despite the newer stock line actually reducing emissions more.
This seems to be the driver of electrifying to Exeter being a higher priority then Bristol to Birmingham
It seems to ignore the possibility of cascading stock in the assessment but then further in the report goes on to repeatedly talk about stock cascades.
The Heart of Wales is an extreme example as it scores very highly under 'Deployment Efficiencies' due to the age of the 153s, the fact that at only 5tpd run on the root is moot.
It should be passed on Diesel vehicle miles reduced both freight and passenger not the fact that GWR have a load of old Sprinters that need replacing. Electrify the Chiltern line\Snow Hill lines and send the Turbostars\172s to GWR.
Maybe preparing for a change of government?What exactly is this document (I've read through it)? Is it just a wishlist? Or is it likely to be implemented?
It'll be listed as Bristol Bromsgrove or similarThere doesn't appear to be a scheme labelled as 'Bristol-Birmingham
Which is fair enough as it would be rather silly to electrify Birmingham-Bromsgrove twice!It'll be listed as Bristol Bromsgrove or similar
Except that I believe there's a section where only two of the four tracks are wired.Which is fair enough as it would be rather silly to electrify Birmingham-Bromsgrove twice!
I think the goods lines south of LongExcept that I believe there's a section where only two of the four tracks are wired.
Yes I think that is part of the problem with the report is that cross border lines seem to have a lower priority. For example it states Shrewsbury-Crewe doesn't connect to an existing electrified line, which to the lay person seems wrong but I assume the existing electrification at Gresty Lane runs out before the Western/LNW route boundary.Also, relevant to this being the 'Western' Strategy is that Bromsgrove is near the NW&C/Western area boundary.
The North of England Electrification Task Force was announced by the Secretary of State for
Transport in December 2013, with a remit to consider the priority order for the electrification
for those sections of the North of England rail network which are not included in current
industry plans. In carrying out this work the Task Force has focussed on the benefits to the
northern economy which would flow from further electrification with a strong emphasis on
supporting economic growth across the region.
The first task we undertook was to establish the baseline – the existing electrified network
and those schemes which are committed for delivery by the end of this decade. Concurrently
the strategic economic plans and supporting materials for the entire region were collated,
together with material from detailed studies into the electrification of some routes. This
material provided the background to our subsequent analysis.
A second stream of work established a set of three criteria which would be used to rank routes
in priority order – always on the understanding that this was an exercise in prioritisation and
not justification for electrification.
Two of the four lines are wired from Barnt Green to Kings Norton, but not the same ones throughout, with the fast lies unwired Longbridge-Kings Norton.I think the goods lines south of Longbridge aren't wired, yes. Also the Camp Hill lines.
To me that reads that there has been a degree of co-ordination between the regions as to priorities, even though particular schemes may be solely within a region.Tranche 2 offers major opportunities to remove diesel fleets and decarbonise freight flows. It should be developed as a priority following the Tranche 0 and Tranche 1 schemes, with focus on the type of infrastructure required and the timetable to enable efficient fleet modifications and/or replacement. Joint working with North West & Central Region is critical as the decarbonisation benefits are largely co-dependent
To me Bromsgrove to Westerleigh should be in Tranche 1 surely it more important than Bathampton to Westbury.There are 6 tranches for the Western Region (0-5). Bromsgrove to Westerleigh is in Tranche 2.
To me that reads that there has been a degree of co-ordination between the regions as to priorities, even though particular schemes may be solely within a region.
Electrifying Bromsgrove to Westerleigh needs other projects completed to get the full benefit, or you're looking at XC buying bi-modes.To me Bromsgrove to Westerleigh should be in Tranche 1 surely it more important than Bathampton to Westbury.
Not to mention the difficulty of making chocolate and cream electricity and maroon electricity compatible with each other!Cross border lines are hard for any one area's report to justify. This one does talk about CrossCountry several times, mostly Cornwall and Oxford-Aynho. I think it implies that, together with the Central region's high priority for the Chiltern line, CrossCountry should be able to move over to bimode EMUs (OHLE/third rail).
The purpose of this study is to develop a long-term strategy for the movement of freight along the Solent to the Midlands corridor. Both organisations have a shared goal of keeping Britain moving, as well as obligations to meet the Government’s commitment of net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. This Solent to the Midlands Multimodal Freight Study contributes to these goals by demonstrating how both networks could be used more efficiently in terms of their overall capacity and their carbon footprint.
The impact of the Covid-19 pandemic has been considered for this corridor and the wider road and rail networks. Rail freight has been resilient against the uncertainties surrounding Covid-19 whereas passenger rail demand has been severely impacted. The road network has proved resilient under Covid-19 and some freight movements have even seen an increase in comparison to 2019. This could be partly attributed to an increase in online shopping and a backlog of deliveries. It is unclear what the long-term effects will be on the SRN, but it shows that the movement of freight will remain an important part of the road and rail networks.
What services could be replaced by EMUs?Electrifying Bromsgrove to Westerleigh needs other projects completed to get the full benefit, or you're looking at XC buying bi-modes.
Whereas Bathampton and Thingley Junctions to Westbury / Warminster lets you replace entire routes with EMUs.
I have read this and quite a few of the cited references. What is so frustrating is all the analysis and report writing but little gets done. Paralysis by analysis.
Try reading the report?What services could be replaced by EMUs?
Bathampton and Thingley Junctions to Westbury / Warminster
This route section, which links the GWML to Westbury, is important for local passenger
services and heavy freight traffic. Passenger traffic from Bristol will increase as part of
the MetroWest programme, and continued freight growth is predicted. Tranche 0
delivers a fully decarbonised GWML route, whilst Tranche 1 delivers the main line
between Newbury and Cogload Junction. To deliver the full benefits of these route
sections Bathampton / Thingley to Westbury needs to be included.
Local passenger service groups could be decarbonised in their entirety, as could some
freight flows. The passenger flows feature some of the oldest DMUs and therefore offer
fleet replacement efficiencies alongside decarbonisation benefits. There’s an important
relationship with the Berks and Hants line as well, with this route section offering crucial
diversionary and secondary route capability for passenger and freight services, including
the heavy aggregates flows from the Somerset quarries.
GWR Swindon to Westbury / Frome (Trans-Wilts) – this service group could be entirely
diesel-free to Westbury, and to Frome / Castle Cary / Taunton alongside other Tranche
1 schemes. This may deliver faster journey times The aspiration to extend to Salisbury
or Southampton may require a modular concept
Try reading the report?
Wow 9 tpd of what a two car Sprinter or Turbo? Climate crisis averted!GWR Swindon to Westbury / Frome (Trans-Wilts) – this service group could be entirely
diesel-free
The longest journey starts with the first step.Wow 9 tpd of what a two car Sprinter or Turbo? Climate crisis averted!
I don’t think that applies. The analysis is done to be up to date and shovel ready for when the money comes.I have read this and quite a few of the cited references. What is so frustrating is all the analysis and report writing but little gets done. Paralysis by analysis.
Yes but my point is why not Bristol to Birmingham (Bromsgrove - Westerleigh) and help get rid of some Voyagers rather than 9tpd 2 car 150s tootling about between Swindon and Westbury.The longest journey starts with the first step.
Well the Wales analysis seems to be out of date with references to cascading 170s within TfW to the Heart of Wales. I don't really see how much of the report makes anything shovel ready. Did they do a desktop study of where to stick the OHLE stanchions?I don’t think that applies. The analysis is done to be up to date and shovel ready for when the money comes.