Proportional Representation might be talked about by Labour as "if we win the next election we will look at bringing it in", but will most likely be dropped as they know if they introduced Proportional Representation they wouldn't get as many MPs. Similar to 1997.
You're implying I was a Corbyn supporter and am, or was, on the crank left. I was totally anti Corbyn becoming leader, not that I've ever been a member of the Labour party, nor have I voted for them since the 1980s. You might consider me, anti CND though I am for instance, on the crank left, but I suggest from both this and previous posts you are very much on the Labour right, which in my heyday was the Callaghan faction and ultra conservative (socially) Trade Union backed males of middle and old age who just wanted a nice little earner and didn't give two hoots for most of their constituents. Lisa Nandy should be leader, not yet another North London 'socialist', and Knight of the Realm to boot.
I am on the side of the Labour party that is serious about winning power and, you know, changing things to help people of all ages. That is closer with Starmer as leader.
How many of Starmers "10 promises" has he already broken? It seems like every day he slips further and further towards being David Cameron with a red rosette.
More and more, I find myself leaning towards Andy Burnham.
and that is the problem.
That may happen, but I'd like to think enough people in Labour have noticed that after winning power in 1997 they lost it in 2010 and other parties have done serious damage to the country between then and most likely 2024. With PR Labour could have had at least a share in power for some of that time, with a chance of stopping some of the those things. Certainly the membership seems to be heavily in favour.
How, exactly?
you don't want to win an election (unless you have Corbyn or a Corbyn lite candidate) which means the second part of your statement cant be enacted.
I voted for Burnham every time the option was offered in a leadership election. I like the bloke but he doesn't seem to want, yet, to give up being a mayor ( and why would he? let someone else detoxify Labour and then take over when the going is good)
There is no holy grail. To achieve that you'd have to put every single decision to a referendum.
Like how Farage forced the minority subject of Europe onto everyone's agenda by threatening to take away enough Tory votes to deny them power in 2015? Or how the May government bunged money to Northern Ireland to secure DUP votes? Or how every government has to target policies at that small group (Worcester Woman, Mondeo Man and suchlike) who might swing the vote in marginal constituencies?
May I ask - when did you join the Labour party?
I have been a member since the early/mid 90's. Left under Corbyn. Couldn't stand the man. Knew he would be a disaster. Told anyone who would listen and plenty who wouldn't. Re-joined recently.
On your first point, so am I. I think Starmer has the charisma of Gordon Brown, another who was extremely unlikely to secure enough popular support to ever win a General Election, given the current voting system. Labour should be ahead by at least 15% in opinion polls. Labour people going on about the disastrous Corbyn era are just playing into Tory hands, with it all being lapped up by the odious Daily Mail. It's like the ridiculous far left groups in the 70s and 80s who regarded each other as the mortal enemy, rather than the Right who were amassing power for themselves. Mind you, Labour have to act swiftly for a change. The whole operation needs to be over before 2023, just in case the Tories are emboldened to call an early election.
Labour are 9 points ahead in the polls. That has fallen back 1 point during July. Recent results show that Labour could win an election. I suspect if 15 point ahead in the polls Starmer would be expected to be 25 points ahead!
Starmer needs to step up the pace now and start to flesh out some of his policy positions. He has a chance to capture the agenda if he sensible
I'll leave the subject here for now, with the hope that you're right. He does seem to need a huge metaphorical or actual kick up the arse. Leaders need challenging, not just a bunch of surrounding sycophants. Look where that approach has got the country!
To be fair, if faced with a choice between Cameron and Truss (and no other option) I'd hold my nose and pick Cameron. For all his faults at least he wasn't into this hard-right nationalist rubbish which completely dominates the current Tory party.
