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What's still around from the 80's

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graham_brum

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First time poster.... yikes awaits the backlash (asked a million times before)

Right then, i used to be a big spotter/basher in the late 70's and 80's and then i found girls and moved away lol.

Just wondering what engines are still operational, wether they are owned by preservations or rail companies.

so how many of the following are still around
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08
20
25
31
33
37
40
44
45
46
47
50
55
56
HST (i seen one the other day and was quite surprised)



If anyone knows any info on the following classes i would love to know ;)

Many thanks if anyone can answer any of the above.....
 
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Still on the mainline in service:

08
20
31 (Only with Network Rail)
37
47

In preservation:

25
33
40
44
45
46
50
55
56

Some of the above are registered to run on the mainline others only on preserved lines.

HSTs are going to be around for some time yet as there replacement is mired in doubt as to its future.
 

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08's are around in yards all over the place, I believe Toton? has a collection. Someone correct me if I am wrong, I probably am. So correct me anyway.

The most I know about is the High Speed Trains, which are everywhere, why were you surprised to see one? Just out of curiosity. I live in a place where High Speed trains come more frequently than buses (overstatement, but it seems like it sometimes)

Depending on where you are depends on what they look like. I assume it's the Class 43 formations you are talking about, operated by:

East Midlands Trains
Cross Country
First Great Western
East Coast
Grand Central
 

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08's are around in yards all over the place, I believe Toton? has a collection.

It would probably be easier to list the yards that don't have 08s lying around somewhere within them :lol:
 

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The most I know about is the High Speed Trains, which are everywhere, why were you surprised to see one?

As he's called graham_brum, I think it's safe to assume he's from Birmingham. I'm from Brum too. Around these parts we had no HSTs for over 4 years, and they're still pretty rare to see now, especially if you don't spend much time around the railway.

As such, I'm not surprised that someone here in Brum (who seemingly doesn't follow the railway scene anymore) doesn't know that HSTs are commonplace elsewhere on the network. ;)
 

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Ainsworth thanks for the reply, but when you say for example the class 37 are still in operation.... how many are are there still about. i was looking for figures.
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Graham
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The most I know about is the High Speed Trains, which are everywhere, why were you surprised to see one? Just out of curiosity. I live in a place where High Speed trains come more frequently than buses (overstatement, but it seems like it sometimes)

Depending on where you are depends on what they look like. I assume it's the Class 43 formations you are talking about, operated by:

yeah i think they used to be called class 43's, i was surprised as i stood on the Lickey Incline for the first time in over 20 years and a HST came down, most other things looked like hst type things but units lol (out of touch)
 

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What's still around from the 80s? all the Mark-3 based EMUs, all the Sprinters (plus 158/159, most of the Pacers, the Mark IV+91s, Class 90, Class 59- plus Mark 3s were built into the 80s, the 313-315+507&508 units (from the seventies onwards)...
 

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yeah i think they used to be called class 43's, i was surprised as i stood on the Lickey Incline for the first time in over 20 years and a HST came down, most other things looked like hst type things but units lol (out of touch)


Those "other things" sound like Voyagers to me.
 

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I'd love to know how many 37's and 47's are actually operational in daily service and not stored or left in a limbo state, especially 37's; I know DRS owns some but I have no idea how many are still diagrammed.
 

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Still on the mainline in service:

08
20
31 (Only with Network Rail)
37
47

In preservation:

25
33
40
44
45
46
50
55
56

Some of the above are registered to run on the mainline others only on preserved lines.

HSTs are going to be around for some time yet as there replacement is mired in doubt as to its future.
I don't mean to be difficult, but aren't the 33's and 56's still technically in service? WCRC own two serviceable 33's which still work on the mainline, and are used for other duties, such as 33207 being used as a snowclearing engine around Manchester and then Fort William. Hanson Traction own two 56's which are hired (or were until recently) to Colas on the Boston steel runs. I know we're not talking about a huge number of loco's still working, but they're not consigned to the preservation books. :)


 

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I don't mean to be difficult, but aren't the 33's and 56's still technically in service?

There's always one that's not happy isn't there :lol:;)

I don't know to be honest, I wasn't aware of any 33s or 56s still being in service but then I'm not some loco oracle so could well be wrong!
 

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Well, you asked for it: Here goes “Classic Traction Roundup” in a nutshell:

08: Scattered around yards and depots all over the country. They see a lot less use than they did in the 70s and 80s, but in many cases they are still dumped in the yards they once served. Plenty still in use for various applications though.

20: Direct Rail Services refurbed a fleet of fifteen “20/3s” between 1995 and 1998, and these are all still on the mainline, though now employed by a range of operators. Harry Needle also has about four on the mainline for charters and freight work, there’s a few in industry (Two at Scunthorpe Steelworks, one at Lafarge Hope Cement, etc) and plenty in preservation.

25: A number are preserved. One (25278) on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway has dispensation to work over Network Rail metals between Battersby Junction and Whitby.

31: Network Rail have around eight operational on the main line for use on test trains around the country. Many others are preserved.

33: West Coast Railway Company have 3 or 4 that could potentially be used on the main line, but realistically there’s only two that venture onto Network Rail metals. This number was slightly higher about five years ago when Direct Rail Services had four and Fragonset (Spot hire company and tour operator), now defunct, had about five.

37: Popular with railtour operators, West Coast Railway Company have a good number and Direct Rail Services operate several commercially. Theirs is an absolute shedload of 37s in preservation, in varying states of wellbeing. Seriously, the number of 37s that have gone into preservation is staggering.

40: Several in preservation (At least four). 40145 is mainline registered, currently running around in unauthentic large-logo blue but due a repaint soon.

44: Don’t take this as gospel, but I believe there are two preserved: (I think) 44004 and 44008.

45: There’s a few of these in preservation, and 45112 is currently (or was up to a little while ago) the only main line registered peak. 45118 can also be seen from the MML at what used to be Derby RTC as it is awaiting restoration.

46: One or two in preservation: 46035/D172 “Ixion” has been on the main line in the past.

47: Given how ubiquitous these locos once were, there’s a lot of them made it into preservation at sites all around the country as you can imagine. Class 47 preservation really kicked off once the 47/4s began to be withdrawn en masse in the late eighties. There’s also still a few knocking about on the main line carrying out freight or charter work with smaller operators: Riviera Trains, West Coast Railway Company and Direct Rail Services are the main progenitors I would say. Riviera Trains have a sizeable chunk of the remaining 47/8 fleet and several locos are always visible south of Crewe station, where Riviera are based.

50: An awful lot of the original fleet of fifty locos was preserved following withdrawal in 1992. Not all of these are likely to run again and a few are rather dilapidated. 50031, 50044 and 50049 were main line registered a short time ago, a couple of others have main line operation beckoning, and there’s a few operating on preserved lines.

55: There’s a few in preservation: 55022 (D9000), 55002, 55009 (D9009), 55015, 55016 and 55019. The Deltic Preservation Society is based at Barrow Hill, so there’s normally a couple kicking about there, and there’s normally a couple main line registered for charter work at any one time: I think the current mainline registered locos are D9000 and 55016, and both 55009 and 55019 have been on the mainline in the recent past. 55016 was the subject of a bizarre overhaul by Porterbrook over ten years ago that saw it fitted with UIC headlight clusters and painted purple and it has only recently been returned to something nearing original condition and BR Green livery.

56: DB Schenker are nearing the end of a major purge of all their 56s that have been in store since the final class members were withdrawn from regular service in 2004. That’ll leave just the locos that are in preservation (About five or six? I can think of 56003, 56006, 56040 and 56098 off the top of my head) on preserved railways, and a total of five that are/have recently been mainline registered for commercial use: Fastline Freight operated three locos on a regular container flow up until a couple of years ago before the company went bust, and as far as I’m aware they’ve since passed into obscurity since recently being offered for sale. Two further locos are operated by Hanson Traction and are used on a Washwood Heath-Boston Docks steel train.

HST: HSTs are everywhere! Except those that have been disposed of following accidents, they’re all still extant and in use: East Coast now have a couple more sets (11 trains in total?) than they had immediately after the East Coast main line was electrified in the late eighties. Their use on the Midland Mainline has been reduced to ten sets in service with EMT, following replacement by Midland Mainline on the vast majority of services by Class 222 “Meridian” DMUs. They are now principally confined to working London-Nottingham services. First Great Western are by far the largest users of HSTs, on all Paddington-Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea, Plymouth and Penzance trains, just as things were in the eighties. Crosscountry have five HSTs working four diagrams each day between Edinburgh and Plymouth, which are the only ones you’ll see in Birmingham.
 
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graham_brum

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wow, thanks for all the time and effort gone into all of that.... very much appreciated.
 

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I would add to that list:
Class 57s. Though technically a new class from the 90s, these are re-engined 47s, so preserve the beautiful bodylines. Operated by DRS and Virgin, the latter as rescue locos (aka Thunderbirds)
Class 58s. All withdrawn and starting to be scrapped, but several have been used by overseas operators, so may have a limited future
 

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As a footnote, I know there are many people on this forum who have a much greater knowledge of particular loco classes, and of UK rolling stock generally, than I do, so I’ll expect some updates, corrections and additions from others with respect to the original list, it’s far from complete but it’s a good starting point!
 

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just want to add about class 57's that first great western operate them also and West caost railway company gonna get a few for charters soon too
 
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