When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?

[SuspectUsual]

He seems to genuinely believe that every Tory vote at the last election was a vote specifically for him. His messiah complies is now rampant. And of course in turn that’s a massive insult to all the Tory MPs that got elected through their own campaigning

As I’ve said before, Eddie Mair was spot on

 

[gabrielhj07]

I think Jim Hacker would've had more credibility

Just a bit!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I had it down as Hitler’s last days in the bunker

That was my take on it.... Carrie as Eva Braun, and Nadine as Blondi

 

[Busaholic]

Seems a reasonable assumption to me. Now what of Zahawi and Priti Patel who were apparently part of the cabinet group telling Boris to go earlier this evening? At this rate it might just be Boris, JRM and Nadine doing everything.

JRM would describe them as the Holy Trinity.

 

[DarloRich]

it is such fun watching them eat each other.

 

[Whistler40145]

I wonder how long until the removal van arrives at number 10

 

[brad465]

Sounds like someone wanted revenge for the 2016 knife wound.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I have thought that Boris shared that narcissist trait with Trump and that they would try to burn the house down/poison the well if they were evicted.

He won't resign and he will try to portray it as Parliament against the People (as they voted for HIM). The party will be massively damaged by having to extract him; Boris never cared about the Tory party except as a means for him to get to the position he believed he is entitled to

 

[gabrielhj07]

I wonder how long until the removal van arrives at number 10

It'll probably get there before Boris resigns

 

[Busaholic]

Gove sacked.

So not all bad today then.

Johnson never forgets a slight, he's been waiting years for his revenge on Gove, and this is probably his last chance.

Never mind talk of removal vans, the water cannons may have to be disinterred first, failing which the SAS (David Davis to the rescue.)

 

[Howardh]

Really does look like The Deluded One has retreated into his bunker. Can't see what's going on around him, surely now it's medical/mental health issue? What's next, emploring his supporter to storm Downing Street?
Dunno why I'm complaining, this is wonderful for Lab/LD/SNP...Tory party tearing it's little Brexit self apart at the seams.
Pour me another one!

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

I wonder how long until the removal van arrives at number 10

more like the men in white coats to take him away

 

[kristiang85]

He's lost the plot. He actually thinks he can weather this.

Meanwhile the country is going to the dogs, and the person who should be sorting it is playing bunker games.

 

[gabrielhj07]

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[GusB]

He seems to genuinely believe that every Tory vote at the last election was a vote specifically for him. His messiah complies is now rampant. And of course in turn that’s a massive insult to all the Tory MPs that got elected through their own campaigning

As I’ve said before, Eddie Mair was spot on

He's not the messiah; he's a very naughty boy!

I've been out all day and have only been briefly checking up on the situation. Do we have an equivalent of the amendment in the US Constitution (I can't remember which number) that allows them to certify the President unfit for office?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Johnson never forgets a slight, he's been waiting years for his revenge on Gove, and this is probably his last chance.

Yet oddly, it plays into Gove's hands. He can play the narrative that he tried to counsel Boris, and that he remained loyal. Not that we believe that, of course.

 

[philosopher]

He's lost the plot. He actually thinks he can weather this.

Meanwhile the country is going to the dogs, and the person who should be sorting it is playing bunker games.

Boris’s refusal to resign is increasingly becoming like Trump’s storming of the US Capitol in January 2021!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

He's not the messiah; he's a very naughty boy!

Once again - if only there was a LIKE button

 

[SuspectUsual]

Johnson never forgets a slight, he's been waiting years for his revenge on Gove, and this is probably his last chance.

Johnson sacks someone for disloyalty. Satire is dead

 

[Cloud Strife]

How well is your crystal ball working these days?

It's broken.

Honestly, give Johnson credit. He's walked straight into the eye of the storm and given himself a very thin chance of survival when it looked like he would be gone by 10pm. I expect the vote of confidence to take place on Monday evening or Tuesday morning at the latest, but who knows what he might pull out of the bag now.

Could he go with a major reconstruction of the cabinet overnight? He would have four days to impose his agenda, and certainly throwing people like Patel and Rees-Mogg under the bus now would be warmly received by the electorate. It would let him impose the idea of being the "People's PM", and it could just be enough to survive.

 

[TheEdge]

Boris’s refusal to resign is increasingly becoming like Trump’s storming of the US Capitol in January 2021!

From No. 10 (via BBC);

"He has been spelling out to them [cabinet ministers] that 14 million people voted for him."

If the Conservative Party "want to deprive him [Johnson] doing that job, they have take to take that mandate off them", the source says.

So yes, apparently its not their local MPs or the Conservative Party people voted for but Boris and Boris alone.

 

[SuspectUsual]

So, how many of the new ministerial appointments will YOU never have heard of before?

 

[WatcherZero]

Added 4 more resignations and Gove sacking, at the Department of Levelling only three of eight ministers are left and only one of them is an MP. Boris now had more resignations than Theresa May, the most of any PM ever and also the most ministerial resignations in one day ever. More than 1/3rd of front benchers have resigned and hes lost 75 of the people that voted they had confidence in him last month.

Cabinet ministers

• Rishi Sunak - Chancellor
• Sajid Javid -Health secretary
• Michael Gove - Housing and Communities, Levelling Up, Home Nations (Sacked for "saying he should go on TV")
• Simon Hart - Welsh Secretary

Ministers

• Will Quince - minister for children and families
• Alex Chalk - solicitor general
• John Glen - Treasury minister
• Victoria Atkins - Justice minister
• Robin Walker - Education minister
• Jo Churchill - Defra minister
• Stuart Andrew - Housing minister
• Julia Lopez - Culture minister
• Lee Rowley - Business minister
• Alex Burghart - Education minister
• Neil O'Brien - Levelling up minister
• Kemi Badenoch - Local Government minister
• Mims Davies - Work and Pensions
• Rachel Maclean - Safeguarding Minister
• Mike Freer - Minister for Exports and Minister for Equalities
• Ed Argar - Health

Ministerial aides

• Laura Trott - parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the Transport secretary
• Jonathan Gullis - PPS to the Northern Ireland secretary
• Saqib Bhatti - PPS to the Health secretary
• Nicola Richards - PPS to the Department for Transport
• Virginia Crosbie - PPS at the Welsh office
• Felicity Buchan - PPS at the Business Department
• David Johnson - PPS at the Treasury
• Claire Coutinho - PPS in Education
• Selaine Saxby - PPS at the Treasury
• Duncan Baker - PPS Levelling Up Department
• Fay Jones - PPS House of Commons
• Craig Williams - PPS at the Treasury
• Mark Logan - PPS Northern Ireland
• Rachel Maclean - Safeguarding Minister
• Mark Fletcher - PPS Department for Business
• Sara Britcliffe - PPS Department for Education
• Ruth Edwards - PPS Scotland Office
• Peter Gibson - PPS Department for Trade
• James Sunderland - PPS DEFRA
• Jacob Young - PPS Levelling Up
• James Daly - PPS Work and Pensions
• Danny Kruger - PPS Levelling Up
• Gareth Davies - PPS at Health
• James Davies - PPS at Health

Others

• Bim Afolami MP - vice-chair of the Conservative Party
• Theo Clarke MP - trade envoy to Kenya
• Andrew Murrison MP - trade envoy to Morocco
• David Daguid MP - trade envoy to Angola and Zambia
• David Mundell MP - trade envoy to New Zealand
• Robert Halfron MP - Chair education select committee: Letter of no-confidence
• Lee Anderson MP - Letter of no confidence
• Tom Hunt MP - Letter of no confidence
• Robert Jenrick MP - Letter of no confidence
• Kate Griffiths MP - Letter of no confidence
• Liam Fox MP - Letter of no confidence
• Dehenna Davison MP - Letter of no confidence

Boris has sent PPS James Duddridge out to say everythings fine and there will be tax cuts announced tommorow.

UPDATE 11:30 pm
Two more ministerial resignations added
Attorney General Suella Braverman goes on TV to call for Boris resignation and announce her leadership bid without first resigning, claims she doesnt think thats a sackable offense.

UPDATE 12:25 am
Gareth Davies, PPS at Health &
James Davies, PPS at health

 

[kermit]

Does anyone have a reasonable guess for how many of the 358 Tory MPs are still, now, backing Johnson?

 

[WatcherZero]

It's broken.

Honestly, give Johnson credit. He's walked straight into the eye of the storm and given himself a very thin chance of survival when it looked like he would be gone by 10pm. I expect the vote of confidence to take place on Monday evening or Tuesday morning at the latest, but who knows what he might pull out of the bag now.

Could he go with a major reconstruction of the cabinet overnight? He would have four days to impose his agenda, and certainly throwing people like Patel and Rees-Mogg under the bus now would be warmly received by the electorate. It would let him impose the idea of being the "People's PM", and it could just be enough to survive.

Already this morning Conservative Whips were reporting they had no takers for replacing PPS posts, Boris literally doesnt have enough supporters left to fill the front benches.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

So, how many of the new ministerial appointments will YOU never have heard of before?

About the same as their equivalents in the Shadow Cabinet if the truth be told.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Already this morning Conservative Whips were reporting they had no takers for replacing PPS posts, Boris literally doesnt have enough supporters left to fill the front benches.

He doesn't need PPS's to run government. He could save the country a few quid.

 

[Gloster]

Briefings are being put out they will use this as an opportunity to run a slimmed down government. Of course, you lose the committed ‘pay roll’ juniors.

 

[SuspectUsual]

About the same as their equivalents in the Shadow Cabinet if the truth be told.

Remarkably Johnson-like in your ability to always answer a different question to the one asked

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He doesn't need PPS's to run government. He could save the country a few quid.

PPS is an unpaid role and useful as a first step to a ministerial role

Briefings are being put out they will use this as an opportunity to run a slimmed down government. Of course, you lose the committed ‘pay roll’ juniors.

And all because you don’t have enough bodies to fill every role

 

[Cloud Strife]

Already this morning Conservative Whips were reporting they had no takers for replacing PPS posts, Boris literally doesnt have enough supporters left to fill the front benches.

This could be an opportunity for him. Clear out the government, go with a handful of ministries and a very small government (say no more than 20-30), and then stare the Tories down by saying that he's setting a new course of government without useless career politicians. If he packed the government with people from outside Westminster, he could sail the "People's PM" ship and give himself a chance at survival.

It would be a high risk strategy, but he would effectively be telling the Tories that he'll run against them in the next election, which would do huge amounts of damage and ensure that they wouldn't win. With his defiant behaviour so far, it could just motivate enough of them to keep him around for fear of what happens next.

It's a far-fetched scenario and unlikely to happen, but then again, I thought earlier that he would be resigning by 10pm!