Barking Riverside Extension (London Overground) Updates

[EllieAquitrain]

Everything's ready at BGV? Seems exciting.

The first thing that "BGV" brings to mind is "Barking de Grande Vitesse"

 

[Mikey C]

The first thing that "BGV" brings to mind is "Barking de Grande Vitesse"

If they do 180 mph into the station, perhaps trains will be able to leap across the Thames to Thamesmead

 

[subk2010]

If they do 180 mph into the station, perhaps trains will be able to leap across the Thames to Thamesmead

Then there would be no need to bulid the DLR Extension,


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No engineering work is planned on GOBLIN line between 24 July and 30 October. So does that indicates the extension might possibly open on 25 July?

 

[Ethano92]

Of course it was good for the platforms to be future-proofed but will the line ever see longer than 4 carriage trains since that’s all that Gospel Oak can accommodate? Those platforms seemed very long.

Edit: referring to the video in post #115

 

[hwl]

Of course it was good for the platforms to be future-proofed but will the line ever see longer than 4 carriage trains since that’s all that Gospel Oak can accommodate? Those platforms seemed very long.

Edit: referring to the video in post #115

There are only 2 real problem stations on GOBlin as regards going beyond 4 car platforms and one of those can be solved by effectively throwing money at and live with SDO at the other.

Need to prove 4car can't cope first...

 

[EllieAquitrain]

Of course it was good for the platforms to be future-proofed but will the line ever see longer than 4 carriage trains since that’s all that Gospel Oak can accommodate? Those platforms seemed very long.

Edit: referring to the video in post #115

Unless they would foul a junction, I really don't see an issue with trains longer than the platform at Gospel Oak, even if they're longer by multiple carriage-lengths. Given the trains are fully walkthrough and it's a terminus station, passengers can just walk along the train to board/exit. Only potential issue I can think of is congestion through the first usable doors from the Tottenham end, but does it get busy enough for that to matter?

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There are only 2 real problem stations on GOBlin as regards going beyond 4 car platforms and one of those can be solved by effectively throwing money at and live with SDO at the other.

Need to prove 4car can't cope first...

So that's Gospel Oak and which other station?

 

[Class 170101]

Of course it was good for the platforms to be future-proofed but will the line ever see longer than 4 carriage trains since that’s all that Gospel Oak can accommodate? Those platforms seemed very long.

Edit: referring to the video in post #115

The assumption is that only GOB trains will serve this route. Remember c2c services with their 4, 5, 8, 10 and 12 car formation trains could serve these new stations en-route to Fenchurch Street / Liverpool Street.

 

[hwl]

Unless they would foul a junction, I really don't see an issue with trains longer than the platform at Gospel Oak, even if they're longer by multiple carriage-lengths. Given the trains are fully walkthrough and it's a terminus station, passengers can just walk along the train to board/exit. Only potential issue I can think of is congestion through the first usable doors from the Tottenham end, but does it get busy enough for that to matter?

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So that's Gospel Oak and which other station?

South Tottenham (already sub-optimal with points in the platformed area (so larger stepping distances etc.)

Many of the stations just need the rest of the old platform surface addressing as a number were longer previous and effectively at 7 car (@ 20m car length) already

 

[greatkingrat]

Unless they would foul a junction, I really don't see an issue with trains longer than the platform at Gospel Oak, even if they're longer by multiple carriage-lengths. Given the trains are fully walkthrough and it's a terminus station, passengers can just walk along the train to board/exit. Only potential issue I can think of is congestion through the first usable doors from the Tottenham end, but does it get busy enough for that to matter?

If you had carriages hanging off the end at Gospel Oak, you would be fouling the junction, stopping a following freight service from getting through. Plus at a terminus, both ends need to be on a platform so the drivers can change ends.

 

[cle]

The assumption is that only GOB trains will serve this route. Remember c2c services with their 4, 5, 8, 10 and 12 car formation trains could serve these new stations en-route to Fenchurch Street / Liverpool Street.

Is there a plan for fenchurch street services?

I didn’t think so. But yes if there was spare capacity, it would be possible. Maybe a few peak services each direction each day pathed behind something fast from Barking.

 

[EllieAquitrain]

Of course it was good for the platforms to be future-proofed but will the line ever see longer than 4 carriage trains since that’s all that Gospel Oak can accommodate? Those platforms seemed very long.

Edit: referring to the video in post #115

If you had carriages hanging off the end at Gospel Oak, you would be fouling the junction, stopping a following freight service from getting through. Plus at a terminus, both ends need to be on a platform so the drivers can change ends.

The only other option I can see is a shuttle to Barking, as I imagine the majority of GOBLIN passengers from Riverside will get off there anyway. I presume there's no existing spare platform/pathing capacity nor any plans to create that capacity?

 

[Class 170101]

If you had carriages hanging off the end at Gospel Oak, you would be fouling the junction, stopping a following freight service from getting through.

Correct but...

Plus at a terminus, both ends need to be on a platform so the drivers can change ends.

Not relevant really if the driver can walk through the train via the driver's door inside the train. Look at both Sudbury and Marks Tey and the Class 755 units and those platforms. May extend turnaround times though.

Is there a plan for fenchurch street services?

None that I'm aware of I only said could serve the route.

I didn’t think so. But yes if there was spare capacity, it would be possible. Maybe a few peak services each direction each day pathed behind something fast from Barking.

I am sure there are many ideas and options out there somewhere within the rail industry and elsewhere.

 

[subk2010]

The planned closure PDF has shown Barking Riverside Station on 30 Oct.
Don't know if it has already been posted on TfL website for a long time.

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/planned-track-closures.pdf

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Barking Riverside Extension to open this summer, ahead of schedule - Rail UK

Barking Riverside Extension to open this summer, ahead of schedule - Rail News

railuk.com

Its opening in the summer.

Local residents and visitors to Barking Riverside will soon benefit from quicker and easier journeys with the confirmation that Barking Riverside will become the capital’s newest railway station this summer, ahead of schedule. Transport for London (TfL) has been able to bring forward the launch of London Overground services to Barking Riverside, originally planned for the autumn, following good progress being made in the completion of the station commissioning and testing stages.

Residents can already see trains running between Barking and Barking Riverside while route testing and driver training takes place by Arriva Rail London, which operates the London Overground on TfL’s behalf. This is a major milestone for the project and one of the final steps ahead of welcoming customers for the first time. Barking Riverside station, which appeared on the Tube map for the first time in May, adds to London’s growing number of step free stations – helping to make the capital a more accessible city for everyone.

Investment in transport benefits the whole country – from supporting jobs and businesses across the country to ensuring supply chains and manufacturers are able to retain the skill base and resources to easily and affordably satisfy transport projects in other regions. Businesses from around the UK have benefited from the Barking Riverside Extension. Throughout construction, the project’s supply chain has supported businesses of all sizes with skills and job creation seen across the whole country. This includes steelwork from Scotland and the East of England, precast concrete from the North West and Northern Ireland and innovative slab track from the East Midlands.

The 4.5km extension, which extends the Gospel Oak to Barking London Overground route to a new step-free station at the heart of Barking Riverside, will drastically cut journey times from Barking to Barking Riverside, which currently takes around 25 minutes by bus. Operating four trains per hour, it will take just seven minutes to travel from Barking Riverside to Barking with easy interchange to both the District and Hammersmith & City lines into central London and c2c services.
The extension is an intrinsic part of the Barking Riverside development, which is being delivered by Barking Riverside Limited, a joint venture between L&Q and the Mayor of London. This 180-hectare brownfield site on the northern bank of the River Thames is set to be one of London fastest growing areas. The Barking Riverside Extension will help to enable the construction of more than 10,000 new homes along with a range of community, commercial and retail spaces along a 2km stretch of Thames River frontage. Sitting at the heart of a new public square, the new Barking Riverside step-free station will provide a direct interchange with local bus services and will be a five-minute walk from the riverside, which is already served by Uber Boat by Thames Clippers River Bus services.

Stuart Harvey, TfL’s Chief Capital Officer, said: “Through fantastic collaboration with our partners working on this project, including the MSVF joint venture of Morgan Sindall Infrastructure and VolkerFitzpatrick, Network Rail and Arriva Rail London, I am pleased to confirm that the Barking Riverside Extension will open this summer. The extension will be a game changer for Barking Riverside – vastly improving transport connectivity, accessibility and helping to realise plans to deliver much needed housing.”

Matthew Carpen, Managing Director of Barking Riverside Limited, said: “Today’s news will be a cause of celebration for all residents, complementing the recent extension of the River Bus service and helping connect Barking Riverside to the rest of the capital.”

Paul Hutchings, Managing Director of Arriva Rail London, said: “We are delighted to be extending the London Overground network to Barking Riverside this summer and are working hard to get the station ready for customers. The commencement of our driver training programme on this brand-new stretch of railway takes us another step closer to operating a safe, reliable and punctual service for the local community.”

Steve Balliston, Project Director for MSVF (Morgan Sindall Infrastructure VolkerFitzpatrick) joint venture, said: “It has been a privilege to work on the Barking Riverside Extension, and we’re delighted that we have achieved this major milestone ahead of the targeted date, through our efficient, safety-conscious and collaborative efforts. The team, along with TfL and our supply chain, has worked extremely hard to meet every challenge and deliver a project that provides better connectivity and employment benefits for the local and wider community.”

Vicky Savage, Group Director of Development and Sales at L&Q said: “We’re proud that our vision for Barking Riverside is being realised with the impressive new facilities being delivered. The new Overground Station will have a huge impact on the existing and future community, cementing the status of this development as one of London’s most exciting emerging neighbourhoods.”

 

[pdeaves]

Barking Riverside Extension to open this summer, ahead of schedule - Rail UK

Barking Riverside Extension to open this summer, ahead of schedule - Rail News

railuk.com

Its opening in the summer.

Ooh, what a tease. 'The summer' without saying when (I know Jorge you can only go by what's in the article!)

 

[rower40]

Informed Sources 3rd Law applies. "Always Mistrust schedules based on the seasons."

 

[Railwaysceptic]

Well, this is a welcome difference from the very much delayed opening of the Elizabeth Line. I'll make a point of using the service on its first day in operation.

 

[adrock1976]

Basing it on astrological seasons, there is still plenty of time until 22 September when the sun has its last day in the constellation of Virgo before moving into Libra.

23 September is the start of autumn as that is also the day of the Autumnal Equinox in the Northern Hemisphere.

 

[Mikey C]

Well, this is a welcome difference from the very much delayed opening of the Elizabeth Line. I'll make a point of using the service on its first day in operation.

...walk out of the new station, then 10 seconds later walk back inside to catch the train back again! There's nothing there at the moment, so this is like some of the Beckton DLR extension where the railway will generate growth as opposed to being needed to deal with an existing demand.

 

[ijmad]

...walk out of the new station, then 10 seconds later walk back inside to catch the train back again! There's nothing there at the moment, so this is like some of the Beckton DLR extension where the railway will generate growth as opposed to being needed to deal with an existing demand.

Could catch the boat back!

 

[Railwaysceptic]

...walk out of the new station, then 10 seconds later walk back inside to catch the train back again! There's nothing there at the moment, so this is like some of the Beckton DLR extension where the railway will generate growth as opposed to being needed to deal with an existing demand.

Oh, it'll take me more than ten seconds to assess the architectural merits of the the new station!

 

[Malaxa]

Oh, it'll take me more than ten seconds to assess the architectural merits of the the new station!

What did you have in mind, something like St Pancras, or the quondam Bombay Victoria?

 

[Railwaysceptic]

What did you have in mind, something like St Pancras, or the quondam Bombay Victoria?

At this stage, I'm keeping an open mind!

 

[NLC1072]

Video link;
Barking Riverside Extension Opening Date

The times are in on the working timetable. Services SHOULD commence on July 16th at 06:03am from Barking Riverside station.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Video link;
Barking Riverside Extension Opening Date

The times are in on the working timetable. Services SHOULD commence on July 16th at 06:03am from Barking Riverside station.

They have been there for a while, originally from the week previous. See post #105 onwards.
When I looked at the weekend, RTT had 'ECS' showing to Sat 9 July, 'unadvertised ordinary passenger' from Sat 16 July, nothing for the week inbetween.

 

[greatkingrat]

It's a bit of a mess at the moment. Because the trains are in the system as unadvertised, it is currently impossible to buy a ticket to/from a station on the line after 16 July as journey planners will not show any trains.

 

[87015]

Video link;
Barking Riverside Extension Opening Date

The times are in on the working timetable. Services SHOULD commence on July 16th at 06:03am from Barking Riverside station.

Thats simply incorrect, it isn't opening on the 16th.

 

[NLC1072]

Thats simply incorrect, it isn't opening on the 16th.

Don't leave me hanging! What more do you know? I do have a source that states "mid July".

 

[SargeNpton]

Don't leave me hanging! What more do you know? I do have a source that states "mid July".

Monday 18th July has been mentioned to me.

 

[greatkingrat]

Monday 18th does seem more likely now. RTT is now showing ECS up to Sat 16th, nothing on Sun, then a normal service (not unadvertised any more) from Mon 18th.